Vietnamese boys: the good and the bad

[rockeroy]

Before I begin my story, let me emphasize that I’m not targeting any nationality here.

I just happened to off two Vietnamese boys on two consecutive nights, and they couldn’t be more different.

And the “good” and “bad” refers to their character and personality, not the sex.

So here it goes…

On the first night, I offed this boy from Good Boys, let’s call him B (B for Bad).

B was smiling at me the entire night, always trying to catch my attention when he was on stage. That seemed like a positive sign.

So I thought, since my first choice was already off-ed by another customer, and it was getting late (only Good Boys closes at 2am), and I was feeling horny, I decided to go with B (which wasn’t too bad for a second choice).

When we got back to the hotel, B asked me to shower first. Showering together is usually not a must for me, so I went ahead.

When it was his turn to shower, I decided to open my wallet and set aside 3000 THB for his tips.

That’s when I realised…my bag was zipped in the opposite direction, and my wallet wasn’t in the usual position.

It was obvious B ransacked my bag while I was showering. 

And my obsessive-compulsive self noticed that a 1000 THB note (which had a pencil marking on it) was missing.

Yes I have heard horror stories on this forum, about boys stealing stuff. But never did I expect it would happen to me. (At least I was “safe” for the past four years.)

I know some of you might choose to question the boy directly (if he stole anything), but being the coward I am, I chose not to mention a word.

I thought to myself, well if B performs well, I sure won’t mind tipping 4000 THB .

But no, B seemed distracted in bed, and kept looking at his phone, as if he’s waiting for someone to call or text. (He wasn’t watching straight porn.)

It was a downer, and I was no longer in the mood, so I told him I didn’t need to cum, let’s just end it here.

And he actually asked me to go shower AGAIN.

Hello mister, I already know what’s up your sleeve, so I said no, I will shower after you leave.

And B decided he shall leave without showering too.

I handed him 2500 THB, and he dared have the cheek to tell me it should be 3000!

A part of me really wanted to confront him: 2500 + the 1000 you stole earlier = 3500!

But I was too tired and disappointed, so I topped up 500 THB, and sent B on his way.

The following night, I went to Fresh Boys, which always had a good track record for me.

Once I was seated, this boy on stage immediately caught my eye, let’s call him G (G for Good).

I didn’t hesitate to call him down for a drink.

When we were doing our self-intros, G said he’s from Vietnam.

WAIT. WHAT? NOT AGAIN!

I guess I really have a thing for the “Vietnamese look”?

I decided to proceed with caution, and watch the show with G first, instead of off-ing him immediately.

But G soon proved to be an angel, nothing like B at all…

TO BE CONTINUED.

[12is12]

I m sorry for ur disappointing experience, rockeroy.

Leaving money and valuables outside a safe, or not in a hiding place or not with u in the shower - is a big NO NO, no matter how nice the guy seems.

With ur permission, I humbly submit that the right to b politely assertive comes with being a paying client. There is no reason not to politely tell B: u seem distracted; please put the phone aside and concentrate on me. In fact, I always tell them upfront: please turn off ur phone or silence/darken it and put it aside.

While it's obvios u r a nice non-confrontational person, I beg u to accept that the way u treated B invites him to continue such conduct with others. In fact, he probably disappointed u, because previous clients indulged him in a similar manner.....   )-:

[vinapu]

I'd chalk missing/stolen 1000 baht off to experience but, like 12is12 says  above, guy would be asked to leave his phone alone right away. And no, no word" please " would be used. 

 

[hank75]

5 hours ago, rockeroy said:

I handed him 2500 THB, and he dared have the cheek to tell me it should be 3000!

A part of me really wanted to confront him: 2500 + the 1000 you stole earlier = 3500!

If I were you, I would go back to the bar, be very polite but firm and let the mamasan know he stole money. No need to provide evidence, or get into a you said vs he said. Just state the fact clearly  and leave. If comes down to how professional the bar and mamasan are (not very, for smaller bars I think) but once the boy is known to be sticky fingered, they will be more vigilant with him. Bigger bars would usually dismiss the boy but apparently times are lean in Silom these days.

Sometimes the victim thinks the burden of proof is on them (it is not) or you may think because you kept him for services instead of calling him out that gives him a pass (it does not). If you do speak to the bar you just need to say he took 1000 baht from your bag while you showered, played with his phone in bed, but insisted on full price. Double strike. 

I’m sorry you had this experience and glad that next off sounds much better. 

[jason1975]

Sorry to hear about your bad luck. I know many of the Vietnamese guys working in the bars. I hope you have better experiences in future.

[rockeroy]

3 hours ago, hank75 said:

If I were you, I would go back to the bar, be very polite but firm and let the mamasan know he stole money. No need to provide evidence, or get into a you said vs he said. Just state the fact clearly  and leave. If comes down to how professional the bar and mamasan are (not very, for smaller bars I think) but once the boy is known to be sticky fingered, they will be more vigilant with him. Bigger bars would usually dismiss the boy but apparently times are lean in Silom these days.

Yes I did consider reporting him to the mamasan, but I guess you were right, I was worried about getting into the “I said vs he said” situation…

[rockeroy]

6 hours ago, 12is12 said:

While it's obvios u r a nice non-confrontational person, I beg u to accept that the way u treated B invites him to continue such conduct with others. In fact, he probably disappointed u, because previous clients indulged him in a similar manner.....   )-:

Lesson learnt! Definitely won’t condone such behaviour in future 😞

[rockeroy]

9 hours ago, rockeroy said:

The following night, I went to Fresh Boys, which always had a good track record for me.

 

Once I was seated, this boy on stage immediately caught my eye, let’s call him G (G for Good).

I didn’t hesitate to call him down for a drink.

When we were doing our self-intros, G said he’s from Vietnam.

WAIT. WHAT? NOT AGAIN!

I guess I really have a thing for the “Vietnamese look”?

I decided to proceed with caution, and watch the show with G first, instead of off-ing him immediately.

But G soon proved to be an angel, nothing like B at all…

TO BE CONTINUED.

So, back to the “good”.

G ordered a soft drink, just like I did. hmmm no alcohol? interesting.

While watching the big cock show, I asked G if he ever performed on stage.

G said he didn’t want to, as the boys had to take medication to sustain their erection on stage.

A boy who takes care of himself. NICE.

Then came a few Caucasian men with their ladies (I’m assuming they are bar girls).

The girls couldn’t stop shrieking when the big cock boys flirted with them.

And there was G, sitting right beside me, chuckling heartily and uncontrollably.

That infectious laughter, so pure and innocent. It was the moment I knew, I’m taking him with me tonight.

Back in the room, he requested to shower alone first, as he was shy.

I gotta admit, it kinda felt like déjà vu, but that also gave me some time to keep my wallet and valuables locked in my luggage. (Yes I learnt my lesson real quick.)

After I finished showering alone, I found G sitting on the bed, chuckling heartily again while watching funny YouTube videos on his phone.

I did a quick check on my bag. Zip intact, no signs of rummaging. Phew.

When I got on the bed, G seemed genuinely happy to see me, and immediately put his phone away.

PLUS POINTS.

I couldn’t stop admiring that boyish face and manly body, while G was focused on pleasuring me.

After G came, I continued teasing his cock, and he BLUSHED while moaning in ecstasy, ears turning red.

Again, he said he was shy. And I truly believed him. That didn’t seem like an act.

Before showering together, G offered to give me a short massage.

So his day job is actually a masseur, at a shop near Tawan bar.

When I asked if he works at the massage shop every day, he said no.

Because he sets aside one to two days a week for volunteer work, cooking for the elderly and taking them to the doctor.

A HEART OF GOLD. PLUS PLUS POINTS.

Before G left, I tipped him extra to take a taxi home.

But he said his accommodation is just 1km away, and he enjoys walking.

He thanked me for the generous tips, and said he’s gonna buy some stuff for his mum back in Vietnam.

A FILIAL SON. PLUS PLUS PLUS POINTS.

I have a feeling, G is gonna be my regular guy from now on.

 

[kram987]

Sorry you experienced B,  I’ve forgotten to secure thins also, I’ve been lucky though. One advantage to the glass shower at Raya.

[a-447]

I've had occasion in the past to go back to the bar and complain about an off.

Once I took a guy from the old Screwboys back in the soi Twilight days.

He just hopped into bed and decided he'd go to sleep! When I asked him to do what's he's getting paid for, he got aggressive. If I recall correctly, I have him a small amount of money and sent him on his way.

I went back to the bar and told them exactly what had happened. They immediately refunded me the off fee and said they would get rid of him, which they did. I never saw him again.

So although you won't get your money back, the bar needs to know about the behaviour of their guys. Who knows? You may not be the first to complain about him.

 

[12is12]

Good for u, rockeroy!

Were u two speaking english or translating?

What r the rates nowadays at the two places, for the bar and for the MB ?

[rockeroy]

5 hours ago, 12is12 said:

Were u two speaking english or translating?

What r the rates nowadays at the two places, for the bar and for the MB ?

both B & G spoke pretty decent English, didn’t require Google Translate at all!

for Good Boy & Fresh Boys, drinks at 400 THB, bar fine is 500 THB, boy tips for short-time is 3000 THB.

for Jupiter, Moonlight, Tawan & Dream Boy, drinks at 500 THB.

none of the bars are charging 600 THB for drinks (during June). 😊 

[westernguy]

I'm still waiting to hear what being Vietnamese had to do with this story?  I realize they were both Vietnamese, but is that it?

[rockeroy]

18 minutes ago, westernguy said:

I'm still waiting to hear what being Vietnamese had to do with this story?  I realize they were both Vietnamese, but is that it?

yeah that’s it…sorry to disappoint you!

I’m not trying to generalise that all Vietnamese boys have the same character, if that’s what you mean…

[Olddaddy]

You learnt from your mistakes they say ...and it's true !

Always ...always ....lock everything up BEFORE 🔏🔐you bring back sex workers to your room, actually anybody really 🧐

 

 

[Olddaddy]

I just can't get over the fact you paid over 4000 baht ($200 AUD) 😳😳😳

I'm available for that 😘

[Olddaddy]

1 hour ago, westernguy said:

I'm still waiting to hear what being Vietnamese had to do with this story?  I realize they were both Vietnamese, but is that it?

Good to know nationality so I can picture what they look like ,and money they would require and if they were French , African or Israeli or Thai sex workers 

 

[rockeroy]

1 hour ago, Olddaddy said:

I just can't get over the fact you paid over 4000 baht ($200 AUD) 😳😳😳

neither can I 😢

[Keithambrose]

4 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

I just can't get over the fact you paid over 4000 baht ($200 AUD) 😳😳😳

I'm available for that 😘

I assume you would sell your soul for that!

[floridarob]

3 hours ago, rockeroy said:

neither can I 😢

Helpful if you know what the going rates are wherever you go.... then be very very clear on what your expectations are, and negotiate, especially if they're sticklers on time or what they will/won't do.... and don't be afraid to check for things like mooks, silicone cocks, even anal warts...all of them a turn off, no?

More embarrassing for everyone if it's found out in your room....

Glad you're chalking it up to a 1000 thb loss for leaving things out, but in addition, don't pay someone if they don't live up to their end of the bargain, doesn't sound like he even tried which makes it worse.... that's a night that you'll never get back.

[hank75]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

that's a night that you'll never get back.

This is the part that stings 

[a-447]

11 hours ago, rockeroy said:

I’m not trying to generalise that all Vietnamese boys have the same character, if that’s what you mean…

Speaking from fairly extensive experience, I think the Vietnamese guys all behave in the same way.

They tend to hang out together - no surprise there - and discuss the ins and outs (!) of their job amongst themselves. It seems they have decided that their modus operandi is to do as little as possible for as much money that can squeeze out of us silly old farang. 

There was a very attractive guy working at Goodboys. He had a swimmer's body and killer smile, which he flashed all night. I was thinking of taking him but decided against it when the mama-san told me he was Vietnamese.

A forum member did, in fact, off him, and had a very unsatisfactory experience.

Having been burnt many times over the years, I steer well clear of Vietnamese guys, no matter how attractive they are in the bar.

 

[a-447]

10 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

I just can't get over the fact you paid over 4000 baht ($200 AUD) 😳😳😳

I'm available for that 😘

Come on, Olddaddy.

You can't even get a simple hand job for that in Australia.

[hank75]

15 minutes ago, a-447 said:

Having been burnt many times over the years, I steer well clear of Vietnamese guys, no matter how attractive they are in the bar.

For this reason too I have never offed a Vietnamese though I’ve taken a couple drinking before. Reports from here but also from friends. I do miss the gang of Vietnamese boys at Jupiter who were cute as buttons and very entertaining. Seems there are none left there. Which other bars now have a higher proportion of Vietnamese apart from Goodboys?

[Novarunner]

1 minute ago, a-447 said:

Speaking from fairly extensive experience, I think the Vietnamese guys all behave in the same way.

They tend to hang out together - no surprise there - and discuss the ins and outs (!) of their job amongst themselves. It seems they have decided that their modus operandi is to do as little as possible for as much money that can squeeze out of us silly old farang. 

There was a very attractive guy working at Goodboys. He had a swimmer's body and killer smile, which he flashed all night. I was thinking of taking him but decided against it when the mama-san told me he was Vietnamese.

A forum member did, in fact, off him, and had a very unsatisfactory experience.

Having been burnt many times over the years, I steer well clear of Vietnamese guys, no matter how attractive they are in the bar.

 

For what it is worth (not much) I would just like to say that I met a Vietnamese guy on Grindr during my last trip to Bangkok.  He was kind of amazing and we still chat periodically.  Also, if you like gay saunas, Nadam Spa in HCMC is among the best anywhere and filled with hot Vietnamese guys that were generally agreeable to doing things with this non-Vietnamese guy when I was there in January.  The food in Vietnam is also incredible.

I should probably apologize for this stream-of-consciousness-ish post but I feel like someone has to stick up for Vietnam.  Especially with country itself, I’ve had nothing but great experiences.  The gay scene and sex aren’t in your face all the time as is frequently the case in Bangkok but for those that are looking, it’s certainly available.