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One question: Don't the BTS/SkyTrain have stored valued cards.. like those in many cities like mine?
I believe they have.. so there is really not need to carry loose change..
And with my failing eyesight, I cannot differentiate the coins well.
I believe they do , used them in the past. Did not try on this year's trips as was based mainly around Silom and did not use BTS that much. And a bottom line - I actually like a loose change, kidding you not.
Thai coins are very easy to differentiate , 10 baht is bi-metalic and thick, 5 baht is silver coloured, smaller and thinner, 2 baht is gold coloured, 1 baht is small and thin. There are 50 and 25 satangs but those are just nuisance and you do not see them often.
Making change at BTS stations is very easy as there are special counters , the same counters also sell 1 day cards for 130 and stored value if still exists.
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GETTING to PATTAYA
Used regular bus service from / to Ekkamai bus station close to the same named BTS station. Buses are running every ½ hr. so never long wait. Outbound at 9 a.m. pretty empty, going back to BKK at 1 p.m. bus full. Costs 124 baht, if travelling light to BKK bus stops at On Nut BTS station where you can hop on BTS , handy if traffic in BKK is heavy, by time bus will be in Ekkamai , BTS train likely be at transfer station Siam.
In Pattaya to get to bus station used 2 songtaews / baht buses / at 20 a pop, probably overpaid but this is what they told me to pay. I did not ask how much , they asked me where I’m going and quoted rate.
IN PATTAYA
City is surprisingly spread out but places of interest are close by, from Boyztown to Magnolia 20 minutes walk, to Sunee and DAY /Night plaza 10 minutes if you know where to go, Sunee is pretty hidden, first time took motocycle taxi, quoted 40 from Boyztown. To Jomtien 100 motorcycle taxi, back baht bus at 10
PATTAYA IMPRESSIONS
I was only 48 hours so may be totally wrong and do not pretend to be any expert on Pattaya things but I saw what I saw.
Russians did not bother me at all, don’t know what is the source of complains about them , found them well behaved, spenders, unsmiling / the same they are at home /. It helps I speak quite a bit of language and understood what they are saying . I think we will see in few years interesting blend of family destination with whoring enclaves here and there –unique to the world thanks to their influx.
As noted before too many sad single farangs, when smiling drunk entered Boat bakery almost hugged him, Scotish/ Irish judging by the accent. This sadness I noticed before even I got of baht bus when arrived, seriously.
As for whoring capital of the world I found city pretty normal but really did not spent any time wandering streets at night, did not go to Walking street at night at all, was hooked with offs on both nights, none of them was interested going there. Certainly people claiming that whole city is a brothel are bullshitting big time IMO.
Sunee Plaza just walked around twice, in the early evening and in the morning, just to see what this is all about and where, the same Tukcom area.
Boyztown area with it’s concentration of thing gay l liked very much but not more than soi Twilight, possibly I was not long enough to appreciate Boyztown fully and do it justice.
Certainly will be back in Pattaya on return to Thailand although during day it seems not much to do but very few cities in the world can compare to Bangkok so no surprise there.
GO-GO BARS in BANGKOK and PATTAYA
I was blessed enough to visit all bars in Soi Twilight at least once, offed 3 boys from Dreamboys, one of them two nights in row and still smiling at recollection of him. Can’t say that about other two.
Attended shows in every bar there at least once / Dramboys twice / as well as shows at Jupiter and Tawan. So only bars I unfortunately missed in Silom area were Super A and Nature Boy – now I know where to start next trip.
In Pattaya visited twice A-Bomb and BoyzBoyzBoyz and briefly X-BoysLand , missed all other bars unfortunately.
Bangkok shows are pretty similar with lip sync singing, candle show, big cock show and of course fuck show, this last segment was absent at Jupiter where full nudity is scarce but some big man tools were displayed. Some shows I watched in company of my boy of the night in tow –always asked them if they want to go, in the past have some rejections of idea but not this time. If went alone for some reason always asked one of boys from the line to sit with me , offered him drink and a tip of 100-200 and no, did not go over his body neither kissed him in full display but behaved with discrete caressing of knee area or so. Always told him up front I will not be offing him today if did not have such intention.
During shows always tip 100 one or two of big cock showmen, 100 fuck show participants , in both cases only if they go around to solicit tip which was not a case at Dreamboys. On departure from bar I tip 100 one of boys on display, but not one who sat with me . Yes it’s spreading money around but I think we owe this to them for their efforts-where in the world you have such a chance to see so much flesh in speedos? I can understand that some old hands are bored to death with shows watched many times over and over but for casual visitors they are things not to be missed, even if just for experience. Yes , me to did not found fuck show arousing even a tiny bit.
HotMale-quite a few offable boys, drink standard 300 or so, few boys past expiry date but usable for both big cock and fuck shows, it’s why they are there I guess, lady boy as bottom in the fuck show but pretty funny though, picked boy to sit with me myself , mamasans left me alone.
Dreamboys - yes, most expensive drinks at 380, and off at 650, but boys line up most impressive in the whole soi. Even twinks were attractive, even offed one, my mistake but at least he was very warm. Looks wise I’d off all of them bar one, who by the way was offed within 5 minutes after I sat down!
Show pretty attractive too, attended twice, each time slightly different . Few massive ladyboys performing, sight not to be missed. Fuck show performers are not circulating soliciting tips. Only bar they do not this. Bar full on both occasions so our complains about prices we can stuff we know where as likely they are there to stay although I did not notice massive number of offs when there but still made 4 offs myself.
After show all are invited to BoysBangkok downstirs for another show and informed that we can have our bring our drinks with us. Drinks downstairs 330 only. Mamasans friendly and I found them helpful when hunting for boy who missed 2 days at work.
X-Size – show standard, line up decent , had a boy sitting with me, drinks 200 only , boy drink 290. Mamasans on a pushy side but not obnoxious, easily shaken of.
Classic Boys – show standard, bar known for twinks so not much for me there, quite a few new boys not seen in May. Fuck show top quite attractive and muscular one of 3-4 I ‘d off from there out of dozen or so. Very pushy mamasans which came as shock , in May I noted that they weren’t pushy at all. No idea what happened but I was forced to treat them with 1 baht tip each as my sign of displeasure. Had boy sitting with be but brought him form the scene myself.
One boys looks sleepy / drunk but attractive body, tipped him 100, when leaving jumped from the scene , wai me couple times and escorted to the door with big hug. I wish him luck.
Zeus , new bar with nice décor, for me second best line up after Dreamboys which came as nice surprise. Standard show, mamasans not pushy, but barkers outside are.
FreshBeach Boys - I had my own boy with me so was left alone by mamasans, show standard and line up quite decent, house was only half full for the show and started to fill up later on.
X-Boys, -house was full for a show, I was with a boy so again left alone by mamasans. Show very long 1 hr 45 minutes, felt sorry for boys, with such a long show they do not have much chance to display themselves on a stage. Least attractive line up in the whole soi at least for me . Lots of unattractive twinks, my customary tip for best looking boy went actually to the barker outside for a look and for a big cock participation, received big hug from him on departure and another one next day when passing by. Fuck show participants unattractive, top had nice body but ugly face, sorry man.
Did not see #24 , was absent that day so can’t comment on Firecat and company findings from October, saw #8 recommended somewhere, looked decent and disappeared fast, likely offed.
Jupiter2002, one across the Suriwong from soi. Show is different with little nudity but more flesh shown than in May when last time there. I was with the boy and we both agreed that boys on display are good looking. My type , more manly and muscular, no twinks need apply there. Bar was standing room only for a show, Asian crowd mainly , few farangs only, mamasans easygoing . Boys have a reputation for being demanding duds, certainly one I had in May was one of them, did not see him this time unfortunately as would proudly show him substitute I hired, Dit one of my most favourite boys of all times, one who even said once ‘ I like you ‘. But certainly boys from Jupiter have their looks, no doubt.
Screwboys , right in Patpong . Average line up, about half offable. Show standard, bar half full for a show, we did not stay till end. Muscular #2 caught my eye, tipped him on departure hoping to off in in the future but on both days I was staying at Pavillion above the bar he was late or missing from work so it never happened. Certainly his colleagues told him some farang was hunting him.
Tawan- separate institution, I like boys muscular and manly but bodybuilders are not my thing and somehow always missed that bar, this time firmly decided to go and see. It’s one of those places you either love or hate, I found it interesting . Most man are on older side which is understandable for bodybuilders but there were few on more regular side , quite offable but I was with boy. Liked lady boy singer in geisha number and got big red kiss from her in exchange for a 100 baht. If one loves muscle worship this is the place. We did not stay for a fuck show as by boy was falling asleep so we rushed to nearby Tarntawan, another reason to visit Tawan in a future. Only thing I did not like it was strange smell inside of bar, not unpleasant but strange like sperm mixed with rose petals, plum ketchup and cough syrup.
A-Bomb, Pattaya, Boyztown, no show , just go-go , good looking and muscular boys on the stage, all offable, went two times , offed short time one cutie and spend some time chatting with another one as cutie was late for an appointment.
BoyzBoyzBoyz, Boyztown, visited two night in row to see the show, both times with boy in tow.
Bar full on both occasions, no fuck show as this is Pattaya, not BKK city of sin. Show entertaining, slightly modified next day as some participants were missing. Line up at BBB mostly manly and muscly guys, my type.
Some past expiry date , one pretty chubby at that, but on both days I noticed that there’s market for them – during show they either participate or were sitting with clients, not alone like their younger friends.
TIPS
In Bangkok I tip 1500 short time , 2500 long time, sometimes more.
In Pattaya I was told short time is 1000 but tipped boy 1500 , he deserved it . He took it matter of factly so likely this is what he expected I guess.
Did not off anybody from bars short time in BKK , 4 long time offs , all from Dreamboys. One wanted 3000 in the morning , given without problem , if he asked for more would get it, I was happy with him. Next night with him as well , tip the same , less deserved as he was tired and felled asleep fast and this is what I wanted, to have his body to cling to , he harassed me previous night enough !
Next one was disaster so instead long time rate sent home with 1000 after half an hour, lots of drama, calling mamasans and all saints.
Last one regular rate, not that happy with him but loss chalked to experience as usual.
Next post will be about massage and its boys –my main are of activity in LOS
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Thank you Rogie again, made firm resolution that if I ever put my food on either Cambodian or Thai soil will not return home without trip to the Preah Vihar Temple, hell or high water. Amen
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Any suggestions of a smart gay hotel near Boyztown?
I was happy with Le Café Royale, Ambiance charges about 1500 / night and looks good from outside, tempted to try them next time. Right beside Le Café is Copa, charges likely the same like Le Café. And you have Serene which remains mystery unless somebody volunteers some info.
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What's the Serene like?
I've not managed to find a website for them or any reviews on trip advisor. I once wandered into the lobby and it looked really downmarket. Reception staff were not helpful & so I walked back out about 2 minutes later.
Location would be very good if they got all the basics right.
No idea other that is there, did not venture inside as was happy with Le Café. Hope somebody will chip in with impressions as it would be good alternative to other two hotels in soi if they have things right or at least priced properly.
I don't mind downmarket as long as it's priced right. In BKK used Niagara hotel in Silom soi 9 many times and was always happy as charge was around 600-700, no idea how much now , last time there about 4 years ago.
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Thanks. That must be one of the most useful hotel reviews ever, considering you tried so many on one trip.
In Le Cafe Royale, what spec room did you get on the second floor? I think the room prices vary a lot, so am interested if they offer a quiet room at a sensible price. Never stayed there due to risk of noise.
I've had that too. My first ever night in Pattaya was in the Ambiance & there was a concert going on in the street. As I walked along the raised verandah area, it seemed most of the audience were briefly more interested in my new friend than the show on stage.
I did not place any requests, just accepted what they gave me but room was facing wall in the back and was very quiet. It was 1100 plus 7.5% of tax, no breakfast. I live on busy street so have high tolerance to street noise and rarely bother hotels with request for quiet room.
As for audience spying on us and our boys as long as they feel jealous we get our price worth. When walking up the Convent with boy from Adonis overheard comment by passing farangs eye pleased with my catch, don't recall exact wording but it made me proud of my boy even more and was kind of ego booster for me.
Cooking next report about my findings of bars and massage places but it may take few days as I'm throwing my annual party tomorrow and am busy with preparations.
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Good thing you did,
I was always reading that Pattaya boys are happy with 1000 tip for short time and leaving with smile but when I offered 1500 for good encounter it was just accepted matter of factly.
Granted this is just one statistic sample but it may signalize that tips may be climbing a bit or boy was just knowing his price.
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In gold bars, not necessary dresses
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I don't understand this as it appears that z909 started this poll asking questions like a newbie would and then is serving advice with almost 3,000 posts under his belt. Please clue me in.
Subject of tips is very popular and we like to talk about this so just join in with you experiences and don't worry about number of posts and offs
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If we got along well, and I felt like it, I sometimes invited my guest for staying overnight, often after I gave his tip. Quite often they ended up staying.
Lucky you, in my earlier years I tried this but never worked so finally switched to long time offs and works better, not without glitches though.
Only once I had short time boy staying long time after I let him to watch soccer game in my room after the deed. He did not want extra money and I did not extract extra services other than stolen kisses and wandering hand here and there from him either.
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I actually think that Hanoi and north Vietnam is much more interesting than south part of country including Saigon. Ha Long vya is something very unique and warrants at least 2 day visit.
As for boys they are not shy, when was there few years ago buy at the travel office in Hoi An after asking if I travel alone immediately in mid-day offered to go with me to my hotel. Unfortunately ,lied to boy trying to extract lower price for taxi to My Lai of American military glory fame because like trailrider I was traveling with straight friend, female one to add so did not want to get to adventurous although my friend being true friend would actually understand This what friends are for like Margaret Thatcher used to say.
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Those my general impressions from my recent trip to Bangkok and Pattaya in November 2013 .
If you are interested in my day to day goings please refer to my ‘ Off to Thailand ‘ thread.
I will post bar and massage impressions under separate thread.
FLIGHT
I flew with Korean Air and liked seat pitch, service , food and Incheon / Seoul / airport I was connecting through. If you have longer layover you are entitled to a free trip to quite a few places in vicinity of airport. Trips are well advertised and friendly hostesses may actually offer one before you notice board.
For both meals during flights we had 3 choices , for some Asian dishes they actually provided printed instruction how to go about preparing that dish –impressive.
BANGKOK TRANSPORT
Trains from and to airport are running 6-24 so you need taxi only if you are flying at night and early in the morning. There are 2 trains, hourly non-stop expresses to Makkasan and Phaya Thai stations, departing 5 minutes apart. It costs 90 baht and takes 19 minutes. At Makkasan you can connect to MRT / underground / , at Phaya Thai you can connect to BTS / overhead train/ .
If you missed one of express trains you have regular City Link trains departing every 15 minutes and stopping 6 times before they reach terminal at Phaya Thai after about 40 minutes. It costs 35 baht.
For BTS and MRT you need to purchase tickets in the machines , is you do not have a change there are change counters at every stations and there’s no problem getting change even on 1000 baht note.
In fact I used them daily before hitting bars in order to get supply of smaller notes and coins. This way eliminates need for a change and possibility of extorting tips or shortchanging you. You tip exactly what you want if you have enough change.
Ticket for each mode of transport must be purchased separately so when you transfer for BTS to MRT etc. you need to buy new ticket.
Taxis used sporadically and likely had a bad luck because on 3 occasions drivers did not want to use meters, fuck you said I and went to look for another one which is easy even in deep night.
In my previous 8 trips I had 1 or may be 2 cases of refusing meter so wonder if drivers got greedy or I had bad luck this time.
HOTELS
To astonishment of many including my boys I change hotels every 2 nights , I just like change I guess.
Used BBB Inn, Tarntawan, Om Yim, Le café Royale in Pattaya, Malaysia, BBB Inn again and Pavilion Place.
Here are my likes and don’t likes:
BBB Inn – like location right behind soi Twilight with all the bars, room size and layout and availability of in –house massage boys 7/24,free computers internet in the lobby, don’t like lack of food facilities – for breakfast went to Foodland in Patpong, 6 minutes away, American breakfast there 59 before 9 , 69 after, very good deal. There are no elevators at BBB Inn which I don’t mind but some may ( Happy Thansgiving to you American elevator/ escalator lovers). Massage boys at BBB may be kind of intimidating for some as you may feel guilty of having boy from outside in tow while they are unemployed at the moment . At end of day BBB is my home away from home in BKK anyways. Room 1320 /night. Safe in the room not working , use one on reception.
Tarntawan, much more classy place and more expensive of course which I found fair , got deal for 1800 but prepaid in June for Nov. Breakfast for 2 included , both boys were treated the same like me and actually addressed before me by the waiters which I liked. As I’m not fan of spending money on luxurious accommodation would not go higher in BKK and found hotel very comfortable. Guy at the elevator acts as KGB and keeps your visitors ID till they leave which is good. No, I did not use elevator there even once . You will get your own business cards with your name ‘ in residence”, safe in my room did not work , used one at reception, no problem at all. Free computers in the lobby. Tawan bar around the corner literally.
Om Yim, at 1100/ night very good value for money , right at Chong Nonsi BTS, has own restaurant, good and inexpensive food, breakfast 80-90, safe in the room worked perfectly. Room small but well appointed, no elevator (Happy …….etc. as above), Arena massage around the corner. I found it clean and not noisy even if facing BTS tracks and busy street. Recommended for everybody excluding elevator lovers. Will stay in future for sure even if had bad luck with my offs on both nights.
Le Café Royale in Boyztown , Pattaya. Smack right in the middle of the action with 10 or so bars within 100 seconds walk. And of course whole soi sees who you are bringing back to your hotel. Console yourself with feeling that your boy is much more handsome than theirs and has bigger dick too.
Breakfast not included but they have restaurant downstairs, sitting there you can spy on whole Boyztown, had breakfasts in the Boat restaurant 40 seconds away on other side of 2nd Road for less then 100. Good food there throughout the day too. Safe in the room working perfect, only thing I did not like was lack of door to the washroom with kind of partition instead, kind of lack of privacy if one wants to take a dump , sorry my language. I was on 2nd floor and room was quiet, facing back, not soi. They have elevator for you and your suitcase.
Malaysia Hotel, great positive surprise. At 840 / night I did not expect anything while I got big clean room with 2 beds, single and double. Staff extremely nice, no safe in the room, used one on reception.
Breakfast not included but can be had in the coffee shop in the lobby, Internet 40baht / hour with several computers available. No idea where famous moneyboys disappeared, did not see even one which was big disappointment as when my boy left at 3 a.m. as agreed went downstairs looking for consolation and found note, the same on street in front. Consoled myself with ice cream and 2 hours spent at computer updating my posts on this board. Few massage shops and good restaurants around.
Not a walking distance to Silom, used taxi 50-60 baht or walk to Lumpini MRT and it’s onestop for 16 baht to Silom or two for 18 baht to San Yan for soi Twilight. Malaysia is the best value for money
accommodation wise I found in a long time. And has an elevator as a bonus to you know who you are.
Pavilion Place , right in Patpong above ScrewBoys bar. Can’t beat location for Patpong, at 1000 / night reasonable value for money, nothing fancy, room quiet, did not hear bar noises at all, breakfast again at Foodland. I’d say adequate, no problem with straight guests when bringing back boy, actually I expected hotel to be much raunchier but found it quiet other than rather noisy A/C unit.
MEALS
I’m not great in this subject, dined usually at Maxi’s or Dick’s in soi Twilight, enjoyed food in both places and liked entertainment value watching comings and goings in the soi. I’m not adventurous with food anywhere and survived 60 plus countries without Montezuma’s revenge so this is not my subject
TIPS
We are talking regular tips, not ones owed to the boys. In restaurants if bill is 300 or less I tip 20, if 301-600, I tip 40, above 601 -60. In bars, 20 for each serving regardless on invoice. Mamasans are getting 50 if used their services for selection/ translation, two from Dreamboys got 100 each but they went extra mile looking for boy I wanted unfortunately so deserved it. If no services provided and They are still looking for a tip I’m offering 1 baht coin, ample supply I ensure in my pocked, this is how I got rid of unwanted advances of mamasans at Classic boys and one of X’s. They got a message fast.
In massage places , the same. In Arena tipped 100 on 2 occasions when they let me to take boy off for long time without off fee. In both occasions I had massage at venue in the same day but still consider them very generous as they knew I’d pay and still did not charge me.
MONEY
Airport exchange rate uniform with exception of last counter right where train platform starts on your right when coming . City rate varied between 31.55 and 31.12. Before you spent half day looking for a best rate consider that this difference means 43 baht more or less on the 100 USD, can of beer costs 38.
Depending of how much you are exchanging you make your own mind if you want to hunt or not for a rate. If you are staying in Patpong during my 2 weeks consistently best rate had jeweler beside Family Mart on Suriwong, on your right when leaving a soi Twilight . There’s another on in soi Thaniya with similar rates. She had minimally better rate on euros and CAD than him, not USD.
In case you need to break bigger notes head my advice above and go to BTS station change counter.
I found exact change always convenient as nobody can shortchange you on change. At X-size they tried anyways.
I don’ use wallet, have 2 pocket shirts and 4 pockets trouser sand distribute money between them.
Shirt 2*1000 in one pocket, 1000+500 in another. Trouser back 500 note each, front left all 20 and 50 I have plus coins, front right 7*100. This way I can control spending and none of pockets is bulky.
Never had anything stolen in Thailand but better to be safe than sorry .
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Also, as long as he pleasured you for while first, I think he's entitled to a full nights sleep after that. No need to spend the entire night having sex.
That's the problem, you think and they thought, but not me.
If boy agrees for long time I do not see any entitlement to full night sleep unless I let him to. No, we are not talking whole night of sex , that's porn movies stuff but he should be prepared for some hugging and caressing and such light disturbances to a sleep pattern.
If I want guy just for one tryst why bother with long time, Thailand is not a Greenland where one may need somebody just to warm the bed.
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Every time I have flown out of Seattle you always have two choices when they are serving food. One dish is usually Western and the other Asian.
We had three choices each way on every meal served but this was longer Toronto flight
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I Like thed host, the location, the rooms, and the price at Om Yim, but found the narrow stairs a big draw back. Well, no place is perfect but I do like elevators.
You are shortly to marry 31 y.o and you looking for elevators in 4 storey building? What kind of bed exercises you are planning beside of snoring? Just curious.
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I guess we all have different experiences. I really like Incheon airport and never noticed it was too warm. And I thought the food was fine on Korean Air (although I do eat with the peasants in economy class...hehe).
I was there on Tuesday, thanks God airport was warm as temperature outside was below freezing when we arrived from BKK.
I like leg room in economy in Korean Air. When they served some kind of Korean dish they even had printed instruction how to prepare it. And it's only airline I know where you make your own tea - they pour water and hand you tea bag instead treating you with some tepid brown water called tea as other airlines do , at least in economy.
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The last time I flew back to the states, I had a ten hour layover in Incheon, and Korean air put me up in a nice Hotel for free. You can't beat that for service. I did have to go through customs, but that took less then 10 minutes. Smiles is correct about the showers, but there is also a hotel in the airport if you wish to avoid customs, and some really nice inexpensive hotels near to the airport if you are paying. A lot of people choose just to stay in the airport as there are quite rest areas in many areas of the airport on the second level. Koko, I found the temp okay. Give Incheon a second chance, I think you just got a bad day.
The last time I flew back to the states, I had a ten hour layover in Incheon, and Korean air put me up in a nice Hotel for free. You can't beat that for service. I did have to go through customs, but that took less then 10 minutes. Smiles is correct about the showers, but there is also a hotel in the airport if you wish to avoid customs, and some really nice inexpensive hotels near to the airport if you are paying. A lot of people choose just to stay in the airport as there are quite rest areas in many areas of the airport on the second level. Koko, I found the temp okay. Give Incheon a second chance, I think you just got a bad day.
I like that airport, in the afternoon you have even a chance to listen to live music and see Korean folk performances. If you are in transit and have enough time there are several options to take a free tour of various places around the airport and Seoul city itself.
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I don't live in Pattaya and I only have one boyfriend. I don't think a boy's tip should be a fixed amount. I think it should be a sliding scale based on your looks and weight . Some farangs should pay at least 3000 baht and others. like me, should get it free.
Here is a picture of me and my BF. He is on the leftBoy is cute but you should be better dressed and not a such cheap Charlie so you can afford decent underwear instead of using leaf . We are no longer living on the trees anymore , you know?
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If you have to control your spending, Pattaya is a good place to go as most things are cheaper there.
I found that personal lubricants are 120 in PTY versus 99 in BKK so you are right with 'most ' instead of all
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When trying to threw out long time off from Dreamboys for non existing performance with 1000 baht offer he called mamasan and she wanted me to pay him 'short time rate of 1500" so it looks it is what is expected by boys in BKK nowadays / still he left with 1000 only/.
Another long time off from that bar wanted 3000 in the morning, got it but only because I thought he deserved it and liked a boy anyways and was prepared to pay that amount, others I pay 2500 plus 500 bonus only in case when they are undressing and are sporting hard on already before I tough them.
Boy from Adonis Massage where I was requested by the manager to pay tip of 1500 up front seemed nicely surprised when I top this with another 1000 in the morning, well it was exactly noon. He got actually 1500 as bonus was applicable. No money were discussed through whole process.
Boy from Bonny Massage offed for long time at agreed rate 2500 could stay with me 3 hours only and suggested 1500 for his trouble.
Boy from Arena wanted 5000 minimum in the morning but went away with 3000 / 2500+500 bonus/ not happy but without resistance other than suddenly deciding not to have breakfast with me. Where such high unheard of rate he picked up from is not known to me. I suspect another boy from the same venue told him he got 5000 from me without explaining it was for 2 long time offs.
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I have not a happy experience with both long time offs in PTY last week, it seemed all they wanted to do was just to sleep without any disturbance from me. I think it must be clearly negotiated beforehand what is expected in terms of in the bed behavior and when boy will be allowed to go to get long time rate. Lesson learned by me kind of hard and expensive way, still great and warm bodies though.
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As for changing ,money in the BKK airport-rate is the same in every single counter BUT WITH ONE EXCEPTION:
last counter before you enter trains area, it will be on your right. It seems this area doesn't belong to airport since uniform rate is not adhered to there , rather they have Silom/ Sukhumvit street rate, This was case in may and the same on Nov 11th when I arrived.
So wait until you are almost to board the train. Caution-they may not be opened 24 hrs so it may not work when you arrive post midnight. I was there 9.45p.m. and they were opened, airport rate was 30.00, they had 31.22. Not much difference if you are exchanging 100 USD but quite a bit if we are talking 1000.
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Do not worry about anything , I just returned on Tuesday after 2 weeks, there are some demonstrations and marches but you are unlikely to be inconvenienced by them as crowds were quite sparse. Did not encounter any problems at all, Firecat is right , media are making it up through magnifying glass