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What's with the insulting remarks?  Until this post, I thought you were a decent guy.  Apparently I thought wrong.
 
I'm a pensioner.  Am I supposed to be ashamed of that?  How do you think I got it?  I earned it - from many years of hard work and long hours.  In my life nobody gave me a damned thing.  I worked for what I have and so did most of the rest of us living here.  Your 5 weeks of holidays is a lot more than many living here ever got.
 
People responding to your message on this topic did so to try to help you and this is how you respond? 
 
I'll leave it at that and resist the urge to say the rest of what ought to be said to you - I don't want my post to end up deleted.

If he has no steady, high paying job and is not enrolled in a university, then as far as I can tell there is only one way to show the required papers - you would have to fabricate them somehow and lie about it.  That is not what I would call a good idea.  Doing that would mean you would have to commit a crime - fraud, perhaps forgery as well.  You would also be placing him at risk of facing criminal charges.  I don't know what the penalties would be if you get caught, but whatever they are, I wouldn't want to face them or have to explain my actions to a judge.
 
Do you really think taking that kind of risk for the sake of a holiday is worth it?  Do you think immigration officials, people who deal with visa applicants all day, every day, are stupid?
 
Best tip I can think of to give you - forget it, at least until your friend is able to obtain a visa honestly and legitimately. 
 
If you want a holiday with the boy, take him to holiday destinations within Thailand.  Maybe both he and you would be disappointed in being unable to have a holiday together  in Europe, but a good holiday in Thailand would beat hell out of a potential holiday in Klong Prem.
 
 

Dinner time at Klong Prem

What's with the insulting remarks?  Until this post, I thought you were a decent guy.  Apparently I thought wrong.
 
I'm a pensioner.  Am I supposed to be ashamed of that?  How do you think I got it?  I earned it - from many years of hard work and long hours.  In my life nobody gave me a damned thing.  I worked for what I have and so did most of the rest of us living here.  Your 5 weeks of holidays is a lot more than many living here ever got.
 
People responding to your message on this topic did so to try to help you and this is how you respond? 
 
I'll leave it at that and resist the urge to say the rest of what ought to be said to you - I don't want my post to end up deleted.

What's with the insulting remarks?  Until this post, I thought you were a decent guy.  Apparently I thought wrong.
 
I'm a pensioner.  Am I supposed to be ashamed of that?  How do you think I got it?  I earned it - from many years of hard work and long hours.  In my life nobody gave me a damned thing.  I worked for what I have and so did most of the rest of us living here.  Your 5 weeks of holidays is a lot more than many living here ever got.
 
People responding to your message on this topic did so to try to help you and this is how you respond? 
 
I'll leave it at that and resist the urge to say the rest of what ought to be said to you - I don't want my post to end up deleted.

"I know it is not possible, but does it not delight your imagination?"
-  Hugh Grifith (Sheik Ilderim), 'Ben Hur'

Obviously it happened.  The question is why did it happen?  The only thing that makes even remote sense to me would be he knew he would be getting much more money from the other customer.  It was an entirely wrong thing for him to do.  As I said, for me anyway, a boy accepting an off and then rejecting it in favor of another customer is unheard of - until now.  What he should have done, no matter what his reason, was to tell the other customer he has already accepted an off and he'll be available tomorrow.
 
I suppose you have your reasons why you bought him drinks days later and are considering taking him off (or at least trying to take him off), but if he had done that to me, he would have had top billing on my "Never Again" list.

Absolutely right.  Not only that, but I like to judge for myself as to how attractive the boys are.  I see too many posts saying good looking boys are in this bar and not in that bar.  Wrong.  Doesn't it occur to those posters that not everyone has the same ideas as to what constitutes good looking?  I'll decide for myself, thank you very much.  And the only way I know to do that is to do exactly what firecat69 says - go to the bars and see for yourself.
 
Do any of you really avoid certain bars because someone else said the boys are not attractive?

As far as I'm concerned, I couldn't care less who they prefer or what age group they prefer.  I've never even asked any of them.  If they're with me, they're with me by their own choice.  Nobody is twisting their arms or holding a gun to their heads. 
 
Whether it's for money and/or other reasons, it makes no difference to me.  I have a good time with the boys I see and they seem to have a good time with me.  If I ask them to come again, they always are happy to come again.  Often, they call me to ask if they can come.  What else really matters?

Absolutely right.  Not only that, but even plenty of money boys are also interested in each other.  Does anyone really think the first time these boys ever had sex it was with a farang, especially an aging farang, and they never had sex with anyone until they started working in the bars?
 
Even more ridiculous.

Absolutely right.  Not only that, but even plenty of money boys are also interested in each other.  Does anyone really think the first time these boys ever had sex it was with a farang, especially an aging farang, and they never had sex with anyone until they started working in the bars?
 
Even more ridiculous.

Yes.  Don't feel bad.  When I first heard the term, it took me some time to figure out what the hell a "roundabout" is. 
 
"The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language."
-  George Bernard Shaw

Now that people are asking about foam mattresses, I'll look for them when I'm out and about.  If I spot them somewhere, I'll post where and the price - but on a new topic.  I don't want to hijack this one . . .

A foam mattress?  I don't know what use I would have for a foam mattress.  I've never looked for one. So I'm sorry, but I don't know where to buy one.  But if I were looking for one I know where I'd start - Index Furniture - on Sukhumvit, just north of Pattaya Klang - northbound lane.

Since you say you're going to be in Pattaya for 2 days, assuming your primary purpose in coming to Pattaya is the boys, I too would recommend staying in the Boyztown or Sunee Plaza area.  You'll be right where the boys are and on a 2 day trip, most likely you'll be looking for boys in the go-go bars.  And when you find them, you'll be a few steps from your hotel room.
 
Where boys are concerned, you might as well forget about the beach.  For whatever reasons, the boys don't go to the beach anymore.  When you spend your time at the beach, if you see more than 1 or 2 available boys - other than boys who were dragged to the beach by a farang - let me know.  A few days ago when I was entering Jomtien Complex, I ran into Rit, of Rit's Beach.  Naturally he asked why he hasn't seen me at the beach for ages.  I gave him an honest answer.  I said, "If the boys come back, I'll come back."
 
You mentioned you would have to take your stuff to the beach.  How much stuff is that?  Other than maybe a towel and perhaps a tablet or a book, what else do you need to take to the beach?
 
On the other hand, if you change your mind and intend to spend your 2 evenings in Jomtien Complex rather than the Boyztown or Sunee Plaza go-go bars, then you would be better off staying in the beach area.  There are plenty of places to stay in Jomtien Complex - with The Venue, Ganymede, and East Suites being the most popular.

Consider your words duly marked.  My experience is when it comes to boys seeking money, they don't give a damn if you're 160 as long as your wallet is open.

ChristianPFC leave change?  That'll be the day . . .

I agree.  I have seen exceptions where such relationships did work and work well, but those are rare and the odds are certainly against it - especially if the farang starts trying to control the boy's life.  I've seen a great many more unhappy breakups than success stories.
 
I'm sure some will disagree with me, but based on what I've seen over the years, the safest way to avoid heartbreak, jealousy, disillusionment, and a much lighter bank account is to adhere to what I call The Richard Burk Philosophy.  Many years ago Richard gave me this advice:
 
"If you want love in Thailand, rent it."

You only have to be scared of that if I'm meeting you . . .

I don't think trying to pick up a 7-Eleven boy while he is waiting on other customers is a good idea.  This is one time I would suggest holding off until he's not waiting on people.  As long as you're busy making note of his work schedule, talk to him when there's nobody waiting to pay, when he's not at the cash register, when he's restocking, when he's on a break, etc.
 
You could also just go in and buy something often enough that you can smile and say something quick as he's taking your money.  He'll get to recognize you.  It shouldn't take long to see if the "vibes" are good.  If they are, just slip him a piece of paper with your name and phone number on it, while you're paying, and say "I hope you will call me when you have time."  I've done that even when it was the first time I was ever in the store.  Sometimes I do get a call and sometimes I don't.

I don't think trying to pick up a 7-Eleven boy while he is waiting on other customers is a good idea.  This is one time I would suggest holding off until he's not waiting on people.  As long as you're busy making note of his work schedule, talk to him when there's nobody waiting to pay, when he's not at the cash register, when he's restocking, when he's on a break, etc.
 
You could also just go in and buy something often enough that you can smile and say something quick as he's taking your money.  He'll get to recognize you.  It shouldn't take long to see if the "vibes" are good.  If they are, just slip him a piece of paper with your name and phone number on it, while you're paying, and say "I hope you will call me when you have time."  I've done that even when it was the first time I was ever in the store.  Sometimes I do get a call and sometimes I don't.

"Cheats" on you?  "Betrays you?"  If this isn't some sort of hoax, and assuming the age difference between the two of you can be measured in decades, instead of simply trusting your boyfriend, you want to stalk and spy on him and are actually trying to find software to help you do it.  What a wonderful relationship it must be, especially for him.
 
You know what I would do if I were him? I'd head for the nearest 7-Eleven and get a new telephone number - and not let you know what it is.
 
Ok, suppose you find the app you're looking for and suppose you'll know exactly where he is at all times.  How is that going to tell you what he's doing and who he's doing it with?  Suppose he's someplace you've decided you don't want him to be.  What are you going to do, send a message to him telling him to leave?  Suppose you find out that he really is having sex with somebody.  So what?  He's supposed to give up enjoying his life for the next six months because of some contrived sense of loyalty that you dreamed up?  What will you do, first cry and then dump him?  If you do dump him, based on what I'm reading that would be one of the luckiest days of his life.  "the only way for me to be calm."  That has to be one of the most selfish statements I've ever read on any of these boards.
 
Are you truly expecting a young guy, or even an older guy for that matter, to be somewhere else for six months and abstain from sex just because you're not there to have it with him?  Suppose he does have sex with others.  Why shouldn't he?  I hope he does and when you start complaining about it, due to your own incredible selfishness, I hope the first thing he does is tell you to screw off and to go try to control somebody else's life.
 
If you're that worried about it, I have a solution for you.  Go with him.  Then you can follow him everywhere.  He'll be delighted.

"Cheats" on you?  "Betrays you?"  If this isn't some sort of hoax, and assuming the age difference between the two of you can be measured in decades, instead of simply trusting your boyfriend, you want to stalk and spy on him and are actually trying to find software to help you do it.  What a wonderful relationship it must be, especially for him.
 
You know what I would do if I were him? I'd head for the nearest 7-Eleven and get a new telephone number - and not let you know what it is.
 
Ok, suppose you find the app you're looking for and suppose you'll know exactly where he is at all times.  How is that going to tell you what he's doing and who he's doing it with?  Suppose he's someplace you've decided you don't want him to be.  What are you going to do, send a message to him telling him to leave?  Suppose you find out that he really is having sex with somebody.  So what?  He's supposed to give up enjoying his life for the next six months because of some contrived sense of loyalty that you dreamed up?  What will you do, first cry and then dump him?  If you do dump him, based on what I'm reading that would be one of the luckiest days of his life.  "the only way for me to be calm."  That has to be one of the most selfish statements I've ever read on any of these boards.
 
Are you truly expecting a young guy, or even an older guy for that matter, to be somewhere else for six months and abstain from sex just because you're not there to have it with him?  Suppose he does have sex with others.  Why shouldn't he?  I hope he does and when you start complaining about it, due to your own incredible selfishness, I hope the first thing he does is tell you to screw off and to go try to control somebody else's life.
 
If you're that worried about it, I have a solution for you.  Go with him.  Then you can follow him everywhere.  He'll be delighted.

"Cheats" on you?  "Betrays you?"  If this isn't some sort of hoax, and assuming the age difference between the two of you can be measured in decades, instead of simply trusting your boyfriend, you want to stalk and spy on him and are actually trying to find software to help you do it.  What a wonderful relationship it must be, especially for him.
 
You know what I would do if I were him? I'd head for the nearest 7-Eleven and get a new telephone number - and not let you know what it is.
 
Ok, suppose you find the app you're looking for and suppose you'll know exactly where he is at all times.  How is that going to tell you what he's doing and who he's doing it with?  Suppose he's someplace you've decided you don't want him to be.  What are you going to do, send a message to him telling him to leave?  Suppose you find out that he really is having sex with somebody.  So what?  He's supposed to give up enjoying his life for the next six months because of some contrived sense of loyalty that you dreamed up?  What will you do, first cry and then dump him?  If you do dump him, based on what I'm reading that would be one of the luckiest days of his life.  "the only way for me to be calm."  That has to be one of the most selfish statements I've ever read on any of these boards.
 
Are you truly expecting a young guy, or even an older guy for that matter, to be somewhere else for six months and abstain from sex just because you're not there to have it with him?  Suppose he does have sex with others.  Why shouldn't he?  I hope he does and when you start complaining about it, due to your own incredible selfishness, I hope the first thing he does is tell you to screw off and to go try to control somebody else's life.
 
If you're that worried about it, I have a solution for you.  Go with him.  Then you can follow him everywhere.  He'll be delighted.

I should have mentioned in my post above - not only make sure he has ID, but also make sure the ID is his.  Some of these boys, especially if they're under age, try to get away with using a friend or relative's ID card instead of his own.
 
Several years ago when Madam Jim was still running The Ambiance, he told me a story about his front desk clerk.  The clerk had lost his ID card.  He looked all over for it, but couldn't find it.  A few days later a farang wanted to bring a boy to his room in The Ambiance.  The desk clerk thought the boy looked suspiciously under age.  When he took a close look at the boy's ID card he had a big surprise.  It was his - the one he lost!  Whoops!  One boy permanently banned from The Ambiance, one disappointed farang, and one very delighted front desk clerk.

I should have mentioned in my post above - not only make sure he has ID, but also make sure the ID is his.  Some of these boys, especially if they're under age, try to get away with using a friend or relative's ID card instead of his own.
 
Several years ago when Madam Jim was still running The Ambiance, he told me a story about his front desk clerk.  The clerk had lost his ID card.  He looked all over for it, but couldn't find it.  A few days later a farang wanted to bring a boy to his room in The Ambiance.  The desk clerk thought the boy looked suspiciously under age.  When he took a close look at the boy's ID card he had a big surprise.  It was his - the one he lost!  Whoops!  One boy permanently banned from The Ambiance, one disappointed farang, and one very delighted front desk clerk.