Terry4

I’ve been a frequent visitor of Good Boys Pattaya. I had many good times there this July. Lots of boys there then.

I was there last night after a  week or so absence and note the boys are really complaining of no customers. They had some quite substantial pent-up loads to prove it, and fewer boys than usual.

They consistently have very cute, young, fit straight boys available there. They are always polite and eager to please. They really are often a more friendly bunch than I find in gogo or most host bars, though clearly not boyfriend material-to put it mildly.

It’s the most amazing combination of rough trade guys who are sweet and sometimes even kissable.

I realize it’s not the kind of bar that would appeal to everyone, but If you’re into this kind of fun, you should look in there. They are hurting for business, as are so many bars this low season. But if this one-of-a kind place goes south, it really would a loss, I know of no other place like it, anywhere.

The first review of Nicki's service:
 

One of my favourite restaurants is Yupin’s in the Jomtien Complex,mostly because I enjoy the personal service the owner provides, bringing out your chair etc,a wonderful guy and I guess a smart businessman.
 
Because of my fetish for good Spaghetti Bolognese I also tried the italian restaurant up on the main road before the Jomtien complex,for the life of me i cant recall the name ,but it has been there years.
 
Went with a Thai guy who had a car and we drove in and parked around the back.
 
I would say even it being a “upmarket “ type eatery i didnt enjoy the bolognese,the service and ambiance was great just the food wasnt to my taste.
 
Ironically for half the price the best Spaghetti bolognese has to be up near Soi 14 on Jomtien Thaipayya rd up near Sansuk Sauna , theres a open air Italian place on the corner been there for years and years
 
I noticed a massuve increase for some strange reason of italian eateries particularly pizza joints in the Jomtien area, i guess it must be popular ,.

Yes !!!! Wonderful place and wonderful chef !!!! 
I enjoy having a Wine outside on the patio with my meal.
 
I must add that just opp this is a German sausage kiosk with a gorgeous guy serving , and the sausages aint bad either !
 
Anyone tried the Chinese restaurant on the entrance to the Jomtien complex.?

For me it's street food whenever possible. I'm not familiar enough with Silom to comment, but the street food on Suan Phlu is wonderful. The Isan style place near Mybed hotel has the most divine grilled pork, very spicy somtam you can ask them to dial back, and many other wonderful dishese. Sit there with a beer and flirt with the Vietnamese waitstaff, watch the people parade--nothing better. On Soi 8 there are a number of good places, the one with loud music has good roast chicken, again with somtam. For dessert you can go up the street and stop at the ice cream cart. One should always top off coconut ice cream with corn, wouldn't you agree? And on the other side of the street, my Vietnamese friend Linh whips up cheap and delicious crab fried rice.
 
Also there are a number of good places along Ngam Duphli, where The vile Malaysia Hotel sits. Up the street next to Pinnacle is a Chinese reataurant I like, and then around the corner on Rama IV lots of noodle shops. Cross the pedestrian bridge to the other side of Rama IV and try some of the really cheap places the massage boys go to.
 
Too bad it's a bit far from Silom.

For me, the best restaurant western style in Pattaya is Poseidon on the corner of the Jomtien Complex. I go there several times a week and it's always delicious. Chef Bart from The Netherlands is a nice guy and knows how to cook.

Damned this mr tam..when i visit moonlight everynight for 4 nights didnt see him but after i flying back to KL suddenly he appeared...well maybe he afraid of me..always snap pic of gogo boys in secret LOL...

Haha, expecting that Mr Tam will still be a Moonligt model in 2020 is very optimistic. Certainly not impossible but not likely IMO, sorry.

You need to use the word ME and not WE. If you find everything outrageous, so be it. Many do not.

You sound like a beutiful couple, I hope it works out well for both of you.

Before I retired, I had traveled around Asia and Europe.  So I knew exactly what place I wanted to retire to, and that place was Chiang Mai.  Once I got settled in, I made it a point to fall in love with every boy I met until I found one that could love back.
I would still be in Chiang Mai, but liked the idea of gay marriage, and the thought that US citizenship might be a good thing for a Thai man to have..  Will we return to Chiang Mai when he gets citizenship?  Maybe.

I unfortunately found this during my September trip , I wish I had booked ahead. 
Im also glad you now have a guide in Phomn Penh,I was last there in August 2016 and no guide available, I even rang your office in Thailand and they said at that time there was not many wanting a guide in PP and had none available.
I bet now with the popularity of Cambodia he should start getting a lot of business.
 
For my next trip to the Phillipines I will book your guide well ahead of arriving
 
Thankyou for providing such a wonderful service !

I used GRAB taxi when i was last in Bangkok,used them from the immigration office to Khao San Rd there a bit more expensive but reliable.
No haggling , tells you the approx fare before ordering,clean taxis etc
There was a huge queue waiting for a taxi and i just downloaded the app and ordered and the map on the phone indicated where the Car was and its numberplate, great app to have !
 
They have GRAB in Pattaya too although was expensive,around 220b from Jomtien complex to Sunee i think I paid .
 
I also love using the train , loved the train trip I took from Pattaya Railway Station to Bangkok , its. Long trip but great experience.

(1)                Purchase of home in Thailand  (or any other place abroad): If you have not made arrangements for the home to be left to a local resident after your death, and choose to bequeath it to someone in your home country, the sale of the property and transfer of funds abroad could be extremely complicated and time consuming and in some cases quite costly to the beneficiary.
 
(2)       Health insurance:  Try to get a good policy in place (covering overseas treatment) before you have serious pre-existing health issues, i.e., while you are still in good health, perhaps in your 50’s.    If you wait till age 60 or later to start coverage, rates will be appropriately higher and if there are pre-existing conditions, coverage may be denied or be prohibitively expensive.   There are several reliable insurance sources with expat representatives in Thailand.
 
(3)       Sell everything at home in order to settle in Thailand?    And if that doesn’t work out for you and you want to sell your Thai home, be reminded that transfer of funds abroad may be restricted by the Thai government and you may need to explore secondary means of transfer, costing you X Thousand dollars.
 
(4)       Settle in a country where you need air-conditioning to survive?    That is not a minor consideration.
 
(5)       I’m 78, living in Saigon with my Vietnamese partner for the past 18 years.  Treatment and medicines for my health issues are not more than a few hundred dollars a month, much more affordable that the exorbitant insurance fees I would have to pay if I could find an insurer willing to cover my pre-existing conditions.  I am comfortable financially and my partner now has enough property in his name to ensure his comfort when I am no longer here.     If I were single at this point, I would probably be living in a location with four seasons and with people who speak English as a first language.  I’ll keep that in mind for the next life.

With due respect Paborn , you cant take anyone disagreeing with you unfortunately,
 
you seem to take anyone not agreeing with you as a insult and you seem take it too personally and to heart, my post is not directed at you “personally” because I dont know you.
 
This is only a message board not something you take personally not something you would take to heart and get huffed about because someone disagreed with your views, everyone has different views and opinions and values in life.
 
You have to accept that.
 
My apologies, but Im not going to agree with you on every topic.
 
You like everyone else have the right to put me on ignore .

Really ?? Why would you say this? Evidence? I doubt very much its a characteristic of every person in the Muslim religion.
 
If yiu have a look at Pattaya Grindr you will see many Muslim guys on there.
 
You have a perception only, just like those people who think every gay person has a limp wrist and talks with a lisp.
Its called stereo typing and thats what your doing sadly,just like saying Jewish people are mean with their money etc.
Its sad people think that way or have been made I guess to believe that way, its usually the older GEN unfortunately who have these beliefs.
 
I always remember my parents particularly my Father hating African or black skin people,ironically I believe he had never ever met one but he had his perceptions around stereo typing them.
 
And we cant stereo type everyone just because a few bad apples do something.

Really ?? Why would you say this? Evidence? I doubt very much its a characteristic of every person in the Muslim religion.
 
If yiu have a look at Pattaya Grindr you will see many Muslim guys on there.
 
You have a perception only, just like those people who think every gay person has a limp wrist and talks with a lisp.
Its called stereo typing and thats what your doing sadly,just like saying Jewish people are mean with their money etc.
Its sad people think that way or have been made I guess to believe that way, its usually the older GEN unfortunately who have these beliefs.
 
I always remember my parents particularly my Father hating African or black skin people,ironically I believe he had never ever met one but he had his perceptions around stereo typing them.
 
And we cant stereo type everyone just because a few bad apples do something.

I overlooked the latest comments debunking this story but I shall let my response stand.
 
For heaven's sake, have you seen the behaviour of my countrymen in Soi 6? I've seen plenty of instances of
 bad behaviour in Boyztown and Sunee; are the Britons and Germans responsible held to be typical of their countries or ethnicity? Any other examples of "Arab" misbehaviour in the area? Or was this example interesting because there are none?
And now we have yet another reference to the Sunee motorcyclists, an issue which encouraged a barrage of racist comments on another forum a few months ago. You may recall that this included sick jokes about razor wire across the soi and other hate-filled posts. 
I'm sorry to say that much of this racism was posted by Americans but I know them to be atypical of their countrymen in Thailand. And I've met plenty. Just as I believe that this Arab to be atypical. As are the drunken British louts in Soi 6.

The curious thing about fundamentalism is that in whatever religion it gains a foothold, the results are very similar. Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu,even some of the wilder extremes of Buddhism. Anti-women, anti-gay, repressive socially, oppressive politically  and aggressive militarily.
 
My experience in Palestine  is that the fundamentalism in Occupied Palestine is  predomiantlyJewish. It is Jewish women who tend to be subservient and closeted while Palestinian women are defiant and politically- motivated. In the schools, it is usually the young girls who are the most articulate  and politically aware; the boys tend to be the ones who are involved in confronting the settlers and Occupation Army.  You don't see women with full-face veils and in the larger towns, the dress of girls tends to be t-shirts and jeans. Very different to the settlement women....not that you often see them anyway!
 
Islamic countries were the ones where gay sexuality was tolerated and, in some cases, culturally -celebrated, right up to the middle of the 20th century. Wilde and Gide in North Africa, Burroughs and Orton in Tangiers for example....while in Medieval Islam there was a literary culture that celebrated gay love in poetry and song.For centuries,  European  gay men went to Islamic countries to escape oppression. 
 
A personal memory. In 2009  my boyfriend was seriously ill in hospital. My Muslim  Palestinian  friend made a special journey to Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem to pray for him. I joked that my boyfriend was  the first gay , Buddhist Thai to have had special prayers said for him in the third most holy site in Islam in nearly one thousand years!
 
And in case you're wondering, Allah answered the prayer!

On my last trip I think I counted 2 bar owners of yesteryear still left.
 
Beer of Nice boys & Alain of Sky Bar,there’s probaly one or two more but many of them have gone .
 
Like many of you I still an reminiscing about the Pattaya i use to know.
 
Not sure whatever came of Thomas & Crabby my favourite bar owners as well as David of Come In Bar.
 
Was it Colin of the Little Mango that was stabbed to death a few years ago by his BF ?
 
I also remember Gary of Come in bar and Michael of Top Man,oh the memories!!

Correct me if im wrong but I heard this is the only business in Boyztown that isnt Chinese owned.
 
According to the report I saw it appears the owners of the business maybe awaiting a higher offer.
 
The Copa has a hotel plus a go go bar downstairs.
 
I have stayed several times in their hotel and whilst i wouldnt rate it highly it does its job at a reasonable price if you dont mind a darkish room and a lot of noise emitting from outside.
 
Who exactly owns the Copa and is the Go Go owned by the same Hotel owner?
 
I did enjoy their 1030pm show, I loved the costumes although the other farang I was with got bored watching it .
I see the once famous Panorama Pub also struggling with customers, I remember years ago it was full of young European guys .
 
Last month I walked around this area nightly to seee how things have changed reminiscent of the past ( I have to stop doing that ) and remember “ street talk” and see Celebrity Ink in the old New Orleans ,how things change so quickly.
Even Palmers has gone, a loads of Indian restaurants in that Soi now,mind you the irish bar on the corner ,forget the name opp Celebrity ink is still there after 30 years .

Have to disagree with you on this.  It is not like I inserted myself in another members thread. I started the thread .  Also my most recent response was to you and.pretty specific to which you did not reply.  There are times I don't read every post . So I suppose it is possible that some of our Trip Report Members mentioned the upscale Hotels they were in and then criticized what the boys want. I just can't remember it and would be happy for you to show me an instance .
 
I was also quite clear in my original post that there is no right and wrong in these personal decisions. Heated discussions on these Topics I don't remember but rather the back and forth that makes a Board like this interesting.
 
Overall I think there may be more criticisms of drink prices and limited complaints on Bar Fine fees but very few complaints on Boys and what they get. It seems to me that the members of this Board seem to understand it is a negotiation and understand that boys will try to get as much as possible and of course it is as much their decision as the Member who might be enlisting their services.
 
What is lost in your feeling about my posting is that I was quite clear that the reason ultimately for my original post was about criticism of Viet Boys and the back and forth among some members who at least at times did not seem very open minded about how others looked at Viet Boys.
 
Also I take offense that I would be vindictive for personal reasons. Every member who has been banned or suspended , I believe members were generally happy to see them go with possibly one exception and the membership is not privy to PM's sent to me by that member .
 
Just a reminder this is what I said in my final comment on the Original Post.
 
Just so I am clear . I think the current membership is the best it has ever been and I have been around for awhile in tasks other then Moderator.
 
Sometimes I think it needs to be said how lucky we are to have a destination to fulfill our dreams if only for a short period of time.

I plan to retire in my own place, all seniors need - family and fruends,  pharmacy , doctors , hospital, senior residence and even cemetery are all in close proximity.
 
And if I feel urge to change scenery , airport is very short ride away, like 10 minutes. 

I think the original question in this thread is what risk a gay person would face in the southern districts of Thailand in view of their Muslim population.    Very possibly, there would be no risk.    What many board members recall is that the staunchly Muslim countries are vehemently anti-gay both by custom and by law (though in many areas it is traditionally understood that homosexuality is acceptable among unmarried males).  So, rather than mentally referencing the 9/11 World Trade Center tragedy or subsequent Muslim generated violence in America or Europe, board members instead are recalling the treatment, sometimes harsh and sometimes deadly, that gay men receive at the hands of governments in Saudi Arabia, Iran (two gay teenagers executed), or similar countries.
 
The occupation of Palestine, the prejudice that entirely innocent Muslims are subjected to in America and Europe cannot simply be dismissed.  There is Islamophobia, but that is not relevant to the average gay traveler to the southern Thai provinces.   If the traveler is Islamophobic, then there is certainly no good reason for such a journey. 

Must say im shocked you never been to Sunee.
 
......of course its not the old busy Sunee of yesteryear nor the infamous Sunee anymore.
 
Neverless its still has a few attractions going for it before it withers and dies.