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Great report Vinapu. How much is the market rate for a night session with a guy?

When the lads are good to me over time I am good to them. If we know the scene we see when there are few customers and not likely to be many more. The problem now is that westerners are fewer because of inflation (eg flights) and wars, and the Asian customers go to see the shows but do fewer offs. I spent so much cash the last two trips since August but I have to do something for lads I like when times are hard for them. I may sound soft but I have also had cash borrowed by about 4 Vietnamese men, even years ago, repaid this year. Culturally debts should be repaid before the Tet holiday.

When the lads are good to me over time I am good to them. If we know the scene we see when there are few customers and not likely to be many more. The problem now is that westerners are fewer because of inflation (eg flights) and wars, and the Asian customers go to see the shows but do fewer offs. I spent so much cash the last two trips since August but I have to do something for lads I like when times are hard for them. I may sound soft but I have also had cash borrowed by about 4 Vietnamese men, even years ago, repaid this year. Culturally debts should be repaid before the Tet holiday.

I'm not very interested in being fucked these days but I think it's a general safety issue. Maybe some customers also don't know that oil and condoms don't mix well. 

I'm not very interested in being fucked these days but I think it's a general safety issue. Maybe some customers also don't know that oil and condoms don't mix well. 

It would be nice if their schools mentioned this ( I appreciate I'm wishing for the moon) but, since even the other lads in massage shops don't seem to tell them, we can. And vaseline too.
I had another lad today who was suggesting massage oil and a condom. Not for me. I appreciate the thought, of course. After the massage I used the phone to translate this concept and tipped him well as he was very good.

I'm not very interested in being fucked these days but I think it's a general safety issue. Maybe some customers also don't know that oil and condoms don't mix well. 

I'm not very interested in being fucked these days but I think it's a general safety issue. Maybe some customers also don't know that oil and condoms don't mix well. 

It would be nice if their schools mentioned this ( I appreciate I'm wishing for the moon) but, since even the other lads in massage shops don't seem to tell them, we can. And vaseline too.
I had another lad today who was suggesting massage oil and a condom. Not for me. I appreciate the thought, of course. After the massage I used the phone to translate this concept and tipped him well as he was very good.

I tried them and they showed up about 50 minutes late after many messages asking where they were. Their reviews have got poorer. Imo, Joe's taxi and Nam's Lady drivers are better.

Those of us who were visiting during the early 2000s when certain activities in Sunee were being publicised in the UK press, became a little touchy over the use of the word "boy". And not just us....Boyz Boyz Boyz changed its spelling, just as Boyztown itself did.  I think Michael Burchill touched on this in his history of Boyztown.
I may be wrong  about this but the use of the word "boyz" to describe gay young men also became widespread, at least in the gay press.
It is true that Thais themselves still use the word "boy" in a commercial sex context  but I wouldn't in my  interactions with  straight society. Not that there are many of those nowadays!

INTRODUCTION
That was nasty surprise. One evening I felt something between discomfort and light pain. By the morning it was something under my skin which was mildly painful  and could be easily felt as it was size of , say 10 baht coin.
 In the following days it did not grew but mild pain, sometimes just discomfort persisted. Of course in such case we assume the worst and so did I, specially that survived that long without hospitals and treatments. Then there were some obstacles like my workload and my doctor on vacations. Anyways after 4 weeks of kind of terror, more mental than physical though,  I got  tested. It was Wednesday. On Thursday at precisely 2.14 p.m. phone rung. It was not marketer, it was my doctor. “ Don’t worry , it’s just a cyst and eventually it will be absorbed. Nothing to worry about “ . Thank you doctor, you saved my life again said I.
 Now, May is my traditional vacation month for two reasons, I’m tired with work and my wallet is packed. But this year for reasons not related to me nor Thailand  May vacation were not in the cards.
Doctor’s phone changed all that. I said he called at 2.14 p.m. By time I went to bed around 11.30 pm. I had already booked tickets to Bangkok for 6.30pm on Sunday and from there to Kuala Lumpur and back plus all hotels in Bangkok, KL and Pattaya. 72 hours and I was on the road.
 This was my reward I granted myself on account of good news. I loved it as my best vacations were always on the whim and not planned but with 72 hrs. I was even impressed with myself .
 Not particularly cheap, in fact my most expensive Thai trip ticket ever and not fast with 2 connections but who cares?. I got clean bill of health  and on the road again. What else I may want ?  
When waked up Sunday morning , day of my departure I noticed very strange thing. Usually in such circumstances I should be dreaming about some naked hunk beside me with my hand on his thing but instead first thing which came to my mind was pizza at Madrid Tavern and schnitzel at Gbangkok.  OMG I thought, is that it, am I losing it or what ? In January after Cambodian fiasco I was afraid I may turn lesbian but food lover? Me?
 It was my first flight through Middle East connection , namely Qatar. I had expectancies based on what I read on the forum and heard from others. I found airline agreeable, service was good although seemed bit disorganized. Food kind of  so, so,  but would be treat for salt lovers. In short not as great as some claimed and not bad at all. What I loved though was Doha airport and while initially I was not happy with 3 hrs layover , when there I was glad I had so much time for my disposal.
Surprise in the airport  – relatively few travelers in traditional ‘sheikh” white garb or veiled women.
Landed in Bangkok very conveniently at 6.30 am almost no lines in immigration. I wisely decided to buy SIM card before picking my luggage and it popped out exactly in the moment I approached conveyor. So it was breeze. Checked rates at exchange booths and again wisely did not change money as  XOne on Suriwong  , it turned out,  had bit better rate. ARL to BTS, change at Siam, short walk from Sala Daeng to soi 8 and my day 1 started
Day 1
 To be sure I will have an access to bed and shower I booked room at Nantra Silom for night before. Bit horror as they initially couldn’t find my reservation but finally they did. Not much changed from last time I was there pre-covid. Breakfast served no more and computers are gone from the lobby.
 Room was clean , A/C was working and so was shower. Safety deposit box did not but me , always naïve decided to take a chance and left is as is hoping for the best , as it turned out , rightly so.
One thing was missing – not even one hanger. But  with markets in soi 10 and soi 5 across Silom deficiency easily fixable.
It was morning so next step was breakfast in world famous Unesco heritage Foodland Patpong where I was recognized by at least 3 waiters and greeted with smile, shortly boss himself was passing by and wai me as well. Welcome home vinapu thought I.
 Then round of area, I always like scenes and smells of morning market in Patpong 1, went to XOne to exchange money , Silom market to buy, you guessed rightly 5 hangers for 50 baht. ( no,  I did not donate them to Nantra, took with me and only left in my last hotel ). Returning to hotel I saw short but very muscular guy in front of one of massage places in soi 6.
 He noticed my interest and run toward me trying to secure massage but I was sleepy despite this being only noon so promised to see him later . Lets call him N and we will hear about him often in this report.
But now I collapsed on the bed exhausted by long trip and jet lag which is tormenting me more and more as I age. I did not sleep on the plane and to add , two ladies sitting in my row were yakking quite loudly for most of the flight.
 Returned to life around 3pm and yes , went to see N. It was very good decision as massage was excellent, it truly was. Not particularly cheap, 950 for the shop for 1.5 hr and N wanted 2000 for his troubles but I was happy, particularly that he came with idea of overnight with me before I even managed to opened my mouth.
Well massaged , thus invigorated and feeling hungry marched toward Suriwong and in front of Tawan I saw Dum , boy I offed several times, sitting proudly on motorcycle. It turned out that during day he is motorsai driver , returning to bar duties at night. So asked him to give me ride to Madrid Tavern in Charoen Krung soi 49, paid him 60 baht. Business is business.
 Lady at Madrid not only recognized me immediately, right away asked : “Chang , no glass ?” and when I selected spinach and cheese pizza she expressed shock why not my usual shallots and cherry tomatoes so I was forced to change to my usual. Also asked about my friend whom she did not see for quite long meaning Christian PFC as we dined there many times on both old location and current. I promised  to bring him in one day.
 Getting dark so time for bars, first go to HotMale beer bar where I met reader and after a while we decided to check on Banana club in soi 4 which I consider 2nd most friendly bar after Tawan and even Lucy is not able to change that.  I called one of boys  to sit with me loyally telling him I already have boy for the night but we had pleasant time and tipped him 500 just for fun of it. Lucy of course tried to leech some tip but I stood my ground although she was tempting me with showing her knee , go figure.
Next step was Moonlight. A, the hunk I offed on my last nights in last two trips spotted me right away , came to shake hands  and asked for drink which I gladly bought hoping to have nice time holding his massive forearm. But after sip or two he asked me to let him to greet some client so old idiot I agreed and he never returned that evening obviously having better time there . So my 400 were misspent so to speak.
 While I like him very much thank you I still considered it rude and taking me for granted. Leaving bar I  not only knew who is sleeping with me tonight but I also knew who won’t for sure this trip. On my way home I peeked into Tawan but  they were already emptying so promised to see them another night.
 N showed as promised at 1 and we had indeed good time so trip started well.

Day 2
 No rush in the morning, N wanted to stay longer but I was hungry so ordered shower and trip to Unesco for breakfast.
Then packed my luggage and went to my next dig – Baan Silom in soi 3. That’s one of my most favorite places in Silom  and almost  no trip goes without me staying there. Nothing fancy but very comfortable and spacious rooms, full size refrigerator, friendly hosts and night guard, very close to bars yet soi 3 with exception of morning and afternoon rush hours is quiet street. 7/11 across the street, and lively market right around the corner.
 Room was available so I was able to check in right away and got the room I was sleeping in many times before.
For last few trips I become fan of Jey Spa in Sukhumvit soi 43 . I like their selection and fast response time . Guy I wanted based on their Line feed, Ten was not available this week so I settled on Noom whom I saw in Dec 2001 in Sabaidee spa and for whom I got very good feedback from one of our members who was entertained by him few times.
On my way there I went to Siam paragon just to stroll through as I can’t recall I was there in the past. I’m not mall person and in Bangkok neighborhood markets like soi 10 or soi 5 plus Silom stores is all I need. Arrived at Jey bit earlier and noticed they have discreet but visible sign now. It’s about 10 minutes walk from either Phrom Phnom  or Thonglor BTS stations.
 Place is bit upscale , fitting it’s neighborhood and VIP rooms are like regular hotels rooms. Sure it cists but they have cheaper options too. 1.5 hr in VIP is 1250 for massage , when one books guy is informed what is his minimum tip rate for desired length of time. I was told 1800 for 1.5 hr.
Noom is one of those who look better in flesh than on pics , much better. If not recommendation I’d probably miss him. He turned out great guy and it was very pleasant and rewarding 1.5 hrs . What a hunk, what a body !
I was almost tempted to have another session right away but start feeling sleepy so returned to hotel to collapse one the bed from 4.30 to 8.30. Those jet lags are killing me.
 Then to G’Bangkok in soi 4 for my dinner warmly welcomed by not only boss there but also both barkers from Banana across the soi. I have secret crush on one of them  but I’m too shy to approach him but always promise myself I will do next trip. During dinner one of members Lined me asking what are my planes for tonight and I realized that I have none. It’s almost 10 pm and I don’t know where to go. What’s wrong with me ?
 I took easy way and went to Jupiter in the same soi. Wise decision. I entered just before first boy parade. Everybody was in briefs  but without number. I was stunned. Probably first time in any bar I ever been in Thailand I liked every single one of them. Not even one I’d not take home. 100% approval rate, wow! And this comes from me , never being fan of Jupiter and it’s boys. While I like their look I find their lack of facial  expression off putting although I know if’s just a management ordered  pose because when boys are sitting with you or being offed they behave normally . In the past  I never had much luck with them with exception of certain transplant from Tawan and my visits there were only for visual pleasure. I also don’t get logic of boys hidden in the corners and parading without numbers , how we are supposed to  get them ? seems too much effort.
But last two offs from there  were  very good so I  started sniffing around tonight for an opportunity
 I watched a show , mid way was another parade, this time boys were in boxers but still without numbers. Some sported even trace of smile, o, la, la.
Show quite interesting and entertaining and one can glimpse erect cock here and there for few precious seconds , thing unheard of before.
After show third parade,   this time bare chested guys in jeans but sporting numbers, sign that it’s time to get serious . Since one of guys noticing my interest smiled at me broadly during that walkabout I asked mamasan to bring him over.
 Came all in smiles and when asked about going with me accepted immediately so I did not even bother with drink but just paid off fee and off we went parading through soi holding hands at his insistence.  Very embarrassing as I’m very shy guy , on Silom he changed to embrace me and that’s how we arrived in hotel, my heart pumping.  
Seemed great off again but in the room return to usual Jupiter scheme, sweet but hasty. Long time yes but 6000 so I declined  an offer. So we had 40 minutes steamy, sweet  but rush session. When he left I was both happy and disappointed as I could use his great company longer but no, not for 6000.
Since I slept during day I did not feel sleepy at night and after he left I caught with Line and e-mails as well as forum , even surveyed Grindr and went to bed only at 3.30 am ending quite a nice day 2

good news ,it  means we are not in competition and can visit Bkk at the same time

I ate Thai food there and it was fine. I prefer it to Moonlight.

Not lesbian yet but I don't fancy the men at Moonlight.

I never had sex with that guy so I don't know. I was besotted with his brother who I miss to this day. However I keep busy meeting men with 4 trips to Thailand each year. 

I ate Thai food there and it was fine. I prefer it to Moonlight.

It was a welcome sight last night when I was again greeted by the “S and M” tout on Patpong 2. The bar has reopened as has the one adjacent to it on the Silom end of Soi after a month’ or so closure.

I never had sex with that guy so I don't know. I was besotted with his brother who I miss to this day. However I keep busy meeting men with 4 trips to Thailand each year. 

I first got to know Viet men at BBB Inn in 2014 just before the coup. I still talk to them occasionally now. I recall one of them, sat outside drinking beer I bought from next door, creating a line with a hook from rubbish nearby. In 45 seconds he had a rat caught on his hook swinging in the air. He let it go. Viet men know how to hunt.  

Monday night at Jupiter last night and it was a full house. Mostly Asian customers. Ladies were all seated in front aisle rows. The Jupiter dancers really loved performing for them. In terms of show items, same as last year. No difference. Why change a winning formula after all?
I arrived at 10.15pm at door and told waiter that I would be ordering a bottle of whisky. He led me to a table next to sound system. Not a sofa table but at least a private space and a splendid view of the locker and gym area where the Jupiter guys hang out before they go on stage.
I took a look at drinks menu and ordered one bottle of Johnnie Walker. Mamasan remembered me. "Poppy (the singer) no work tonight. He work Wednesday night." "You come alone? Where your friends?"
Mamasan called over Cambodian handsome model whom I met last year and whom I had also contacted im advance. He was in red briefs - tonight's attire for first model walk on stage for Jupiter guys. "I have to do model walk 1030. After that, I come to you." No problem, I have all night.
10.30pm - the first model walk started. Quite a number of Jupiter guys working today, easily at least 30. Most Mondays are quiet affairs.
After the first model walk, the show started. Cambodian was with me, now fully dressed. We watched the show until 11.30pm after the second model walk where the Jupiter guys came out in white shorts only. One interesting thing happened. An Asian male and female couple in 30s had come in and they were seated at table next to me. I knew they were from China because they spoke to each other in Mandarin and they spoke to mamasan in English. They were looking for a guy for a threesome. Mamasan called over 8 Jupiter guys to the couple and the lady took some time to pick one tall fair skinned Jupiter guy. All this while, I was sniggering away. I looked at my guy and asked him if he had ever been in a 3some. Cambodian smiled shyly like a schoolboy and shook his head. He need not worry about me asking him for a 3some. I wanted him all to myself tonight.
Still at least 2/3 of Johnnie Walker left. Shall go again another night this week and next week.

"Do gogoboys working in gogoboy bars receive salary from the bar, or is their income primarily derived from customers who purchase drinks, provide tips, and engage in sexual services with them?"
I have asked many go go men about this. My understanding is that most bars pay a small amount (eg 150bt) to regular men who turn up at say 8pm and stay until the close, as long as they do not get off'd. If they get off'd by a customer they lose the 'salary'. Often, if a go go man has a  customer and fails to turn up the next night they will be fined the off fee (eg 500bt) because the bar presumes they are still with the same customer.
 

A Thai go go man, now 29, who I have known for ten years, told me that that all the go go men are not doing it for fun or sex or love but for the chance of a big score with one rich customer or a series of rich customers. He has a house and a car now. A Vietnamese go go man, who I asked why they do the job if it is so difficult to earn enough, echoed this when he replied that they hope to 'get lucky'.

"Do gogoboys working in gogoboy bars receive salary from the bar, or is their income primarily derived from customers who purchase drinks, provide tips, and engage in sexual services with them?"
I have asked many go go men about this. My understanding is that most bars pay a small amount (eg 150bt) to regular men who turn up at say 8pm and stay until the close, as long as they do not get off'd. If they get off'd by a customer they lose the 'salary'. Often, if a go go man has a  customer and fails to turn up the next night they will be fined the off fee (eg 500bt) because the bar presumes they are still with the same customer.