Olddaddy

The only reason they go strong is that some "splurge" there. They need the business badly and as much as smaller/less fancier places. Discrimination won't help.

With respect to you ,you seem to be very one sour old guy 
 I don't care about Trump because I'm in Australia🦘🦘
where our Prime Minister Anthony Albanese is out of the Country more than he is in it ✈️
And why would I support China anyway?
I hope Taiwan can remain free for all us older gay people 👨‍❤️‍👨
Enjoy life💃🕺
Everyone is different and has different beliefs,sure we can disagree but still show respect to each other
My motto "Grow Old Disgracefully !!
, we all don't have much time to waste "hating"  someone because of their beliefs ,race ,sex ,gender, life is not long 😉

The last two holidays I have stayed at the Zing for a number of days. 
Good clean, basic hotel with a nice pool. Guest friendly and ideal for 'boy shopping'!

+1

I do a lot of threesomes. Some boys I already know work happily together. But generally my MO is to pick the boy that I want as second, and we discuss and then invite the third.
Sometimes in a bar there are a number of boys around the table and I might just jokingly point at two of them and count 1-2-3 on my fingers and see what their reaction is. Sometimes it is just laughed off, sometimes it is met with enthusiastic nodding, then it is 'game-on'.
I also find it helpful to have discussed with the boys who might do what to whom? 
The first time in the room for a new threesome might be a bit slow as the boys are often shy of one another. But with the lights lowered, and a little gentle direction from me and it usually works out ok, although obviously some better than others.
Once a threesome has been established it usually just gets better and better. Perhaps with food offered afterwards as they chat and get to know one another.
Winner Boys should be excellent for threesomes, established boys like Nam and Bank are usually totally at ease with them, Nam in particular is usually very proactive in getting the 'party' started!

Yes gone are the days of the majority of "sex workers" are the starving boys we used to see 25 years ago in sunee
Now many ,not all , but many are second jobbers 

I'm sure all the responses are accurate, but if it were me, I would be asking the boy of interest.  Don't you think the boys know where to go?  And I would go with his recommendation because it would be a room he is probably familiar with, likes, and feels comfortable there.

I know a few people that have killed themselves of different ages.....they've had demons they'd been fighting for a long time, it's not something you wake up one day and out of the blue decide to kill yourself.

I need money for my boys

Lesson learned: never book room above second floor in Pattaya.

Suicides, most likely (though this particular way of dispatching their targets was quite popular with some gangs in Europe 20-30 years ago), but what a trauma to those who have witnessed it all or had to deal with it immediately afterwards before the police arrived.

Sorry for derailing this thread even more, but I had to google "oldest prostitutes in the world" and found this 12/11 year old articles:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/sep/17/oldest-prostitutes-amsterdam-70-twins
Meet the oldest prostitutes in Amsterdam – they're 70-year-old twins [...]
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/amsterdam-s-2-oldest-prostitutes-retire-after-50-years-1.1394319
The longest working prostitutes in Amsterdam, twin sisters Louise and Martine Fokkens, have officially retired — but only after 50 years of work and over 350,000 clients served.
"I was a little bit tired," Louise told As It Happens host Carol Off in an interview that aired March 18. [...]

Maybe better to have a couple of nights booked at the Zing Hotel next to the Agate and make a weekend of it, Zing is very reasonable 👍

Be fantastic when it comes 
As an Australian I'm limited to 30 days 

Spot on my friend. You said it better than I would as my lack of schooling shows up from time to time. 

It always puzzles me what minimum salary has to do with selling one's ass or pussy for that matter. 
Few of willing guys and /or girls are doing that in Thailand to avoid death from hunger. Rather they are looking for way to supplement what thay earn using whatever assets they have at their disposal. 
In few minutes I'm expecting guy to arrive on new shiny motorcycle. Should I sermon him about minimum salary? I don't think so and I'm sure neither do you. 

Your spot on , I  have to agree with you on that .👍

It looks that soon we will have new hotel of Japanese brand right across Park Silom and I  between Thaniya and soi 4. 
I, m afraid it will.be one of those quite costly place with postcard size rooms like Quarter Silom and Ibis Styles but we will.see when somebody reports from there.
Pics taken this morning

It looks that whoever is being  built on former Dusit Thani hotel site, be it condo  , hotel or gigantic go-go club   will be sporting identical spire famous hotel did.
Pics taken from Lumpini this morning. Mahanakhon in the distance.
 

Flew Nonstop on Thai Airways in Business class, old 777-200 tired plane, but still the best, friendliest service going.

I did my e- Visa on arrival while in Bangkok and so angry at myself for not noticing an error on my passport expiry date. It self populated from the scan of the passport, but while I scrolled down, I must've changed the date without knowing.

The immigration guy was super nice and great English...when he said there was a problem, I thought it was I entered my hotel address as Bali, because in my mind I was going to Bali first. But that wasn't it, was the wrong expiration date of my passport. My option was to do it online again, go to the VOA counter and he said if I had exact Indo cash, I could pay there. He seemed surprised I had IDR, I paid him...I thought it was a scam, but he gave me an official printed receipt and was easy without having to line up again. It was 500,000 IDR ($30usd) cheap mistake but still mad at myself for being so careless.

I had forgotten how much time from the airport into Jakarta, 1 hr. Grab was about $20usd. 

By the time I got into my hotel and unpacked, it was raining, I just watched some youtube and chatted on some apps and went to sleep.

Next day I was looking on Grindr and someone in the same hotel on a work trip hit me up...a nice 25 yr old guy sent me his pics, but since he was with a large group of people from his job was really shy about meeting, be we did have fun.

The thing that is annoying here, since it's a Muslim country, most everyone is deeply in the closet. Using fake profile pics or old pics. When they do send you a pic, it's always an expiring one....Lots of free action and massage guys. 

One guy asked for a million and I laughed at him, everyone else was 400k-500k.$25-32usd.

Did a live chat with a 26 yr old, looked latino to me and we made plans to come over.

I'm staying at the DoubleTree and they have an executive lounge with free drinks....he's not a big drinker but had 2 beers and got tipsy, cheap date!

He gave a 2 hr amazing massage and GREAT sex....he came about a liter, or so it seemed. He said he hadn't had sex in a long time. This is the advantage over Thailand, where sex is like a job, here it's a treat 😁

I ended up going with him again 2 more times...why keep searching when you found something so good?  No expensive drinks, no crazy off fees but not as convenient as Thailand.
The gay disco Apollo that I went to last time here, has closed, Covid victim. He said there are a couple of places frequented by gay guys...the cover is about $15usd , is a little far from my hotel, no thanks.

Indonesia is so affordable....I had a fat attack and wanted McDonald's, the food was piping hot and fresh, a double cheeseburger combo mean and a filet o fish sandwich was $5....that would easily be $15 is Thailand or USA.

One Grab motorbike ride was 35 cents USD and another was $1,01.

While walking in the street, almost everyone looks at me, like I'm an alien, kind of strange, but there aren't many westerners here, especially walking in the streets.

Tomorrow I'm taking the luxury executive train to Surabaya, even fewer westerners I'm told. Is an 8 hr tip but in a business class type lie flat seat. The sights look nice from the videos I've seen, but I'm sure a couple of hours into it I'll be thinking, why the fuck am I doing this, lol
 

Feel free to put your favourite YouTubers here or Gay related up to you I guess 
These ones though are "Thailand" related and I just realised there are many other Countries forum on here so they may not be a interest to others that are not into Thailand ...still I would love to see any YouTubers in other gay countries such as Africa etc if there's any 
Don't ask me to provide links ,I have no idea how to do it😀
But, I have been watching " Steve Rosse " every Friday, he is not gay but  retired to a place several hours near Phuket , Turtle Beach ,in which he spends his days making cardboard ......what else ....turtles !🐢🐢🐢
Another one is "native farang" about a Thai guy 30yo , extremely good-looking 🥰with a UK accent and his English born wife with 2 kids decided to go back to Thailand to start a farm which they got dick of and are now in Bangkok
I only watch because of the handsome Thai guy 😘

I was already undecided between the two. Therefore the first night I would go with number 5, the second night with number 38 😊

If I were in Pattaya, I would definitely want to meet number 5.

Latest batch of pics from the Winner Boys FaceBook page.
Having visited the bar several times last month I can confirm a number of new boys and overall a more lively and positive vibe about the bar than I remember for a number of years.





 

Enjoyed the video and the narrators.
My experiences of staying in the area was between 2003-2009 when I was a devotee of the legendary Babylon, about a 10-15 minute walk away.  I stayed either at the Pinnacle or Malaysia hotels and had no complaints about either. At the Pinnacle I used to book through a local guy who lived in the hotel (think Jimmy was his name) who could save you a few hundred baht a night.
I don't recall the area being a hippe ghetto it was in the 80's and 90's and never recall feeling unsafe walking around.
But once Babylon began losing its allure, I began staying primarily in the Silom area.