Olddaddy

Did you stay in Classrooms?
Love you vinapu !!! 😘

Day 14
 At 8am  HC left , collecting his tip without any grimace so I’m not even sure he was happy or disappointed, not really losing sleep over it.  I went for breakfast to Das Berliner, short hop on baht bus from there to Pattaya Night Market  which only start coming to life but I bought  multipocketed shirt  I usually wear  when travel as one never runs out need for those.
Then parked myself in internet café in soi post office as I had some things to do on computer and find it easier to do it on PC than smartphone or tablet, then , when walking to hotel,  Wit from Paradise massage stopped me so it went without saying we have massage session , 1.50 hr , great as always. .He is pressing me for long time , no doubt out of love.
After massage I invited him for dinner at Bayview restaurant on Beach Rd where we usually go. Then I went to Tukcom to add some time to my SIM card as it’s expiring tomorrow and being there walked through Sunee Plaza , abandoned to her fate ,  noticing new shiny laundry on the corner leading to it. Finally some bright spot there.
Next step as it was darkening already was Jomtien complex where I parked myself at @home bar , winged with two resident guys of theirs. I treated them with drink and on departure with 200 tip each for their time and decided to return to Boyztown.
Jomtien Complex seemed quite slow tonight with sprinkling of patrons here and there.
So far quite “ nothing happened day “ but it was nice not  to be pressed to do anything with anybody, of course massage with Wit excepted. I arrived just before 11 pm  so in time for XBoys show so I went in. Very progressive show with not one but two “special” segments , it was fun to watch Chinese spectators awed at what they saw.
I was happy to see A in one number. He is veteran there , tall for a Thai and quite well endowed. For me his personal attraction is that  he reminds me somebody from my youth. But somehow he did not notice me and after show disappeared so I left empty handed. Not to give up easily I made big circle of Boyztown sois and in 15-20 minutes I was back in front  of XBoys.
A was sitting at front of bar eating something. This time he recognized me immediately , rushed to greet me which I used to ask romantic question” you sleep with me tonight ?”  which was agreed to immediately. I like fast negotiations. I paid off fee, let him finish his meal and  we walked over to Classrooms  to complete our deal.
 He is quite conversationalist as well , told me about his family and work and all in all we had great time. Longer it lasted , grater it seemed. Notwithstanding his physical attributes mentioned earlier he is simply very decent guy and to spice it, knowing well why he was invited. One of those offs which will stay in memory  and I still remember our first , pre-covid meeting.
So while days in Pattaya tend to be boring , both nights so far turned excellent. Knowing who I will be hosting tomorrow I can already say that all nights in Pattaya this trip were outstanding .
 

I mentioned his name only after it had already been mentioned by someone else previously in this same thread. 
I did not speculate on his sexuality, I said I think he would be a good fuck as that is the impression I get (and hope). You may find my language crude and that is ok. By the way, said individual tags his social media posts with #gayboy #gaybar and many others including his work place for ‘the world’ to see…….so I’m not trying to weasel anything “reader”
Maybe take a chill pill and get off your moral high horse.

Yawn, bore off

What was the hotel Ibis styles like?
No bother to bring back visitors,did they check ID??

yes

I’ve only once had sex in the toilets of jomtien complex. This real sexy guy was between the bars and massage shops. He took me to a large toilet that locked, somewhere behind cocktail bar. I’m not sure it’s there now, or they may have split it in two and now a key is required to get in.
It was great sex and the guy was a pro. He really appreciated the 1,000 baht tip I gave him.
i certainly wouldn’t have sex in a toilet that wasn’t totally private. Like in Sunnee , they had a makeshift room in the back of a bar. And I loved Good Boys and all they had to offer.
i really miss the spontaneous sex that it provided. When I used the toilet behind the first bar on the left going in to the complex, two young twinks came running out of it giggling. But I never witnessed any sex in any areas around there.
oh yeah, I was hanging out where they gamble real late and had oral with a guy in the shadows in an alley way, but hat was because the short time room was closed .

Belated Happy birthday to you 🎉🎂🎂

Same difference.....in my cases, I've had many guys try to weasel out with excuses, drunk can't get hard, too many problems with family "can't concentrate", the list goes on....you have your share, I pay attention to what you post 😉

The first guy does it to save the "off" fee??? 😳
Guess I'm not trying to judge him,maybe he could be on a old age or disability pension or something,who knows but he sounds as weird as me ! 🤪🤣

Day 11
 I must be turning lesbian, men loving lesbian but still lesbian because I start liking my boy less nights. Slept very well till 8 and did not rush for breakfast,   only to run in panic as they close at 10 and I made it at 9.55. Still managed to feed myself well.
  Then went to top floor to marvel at Bangkok from moving platform. Nice breeze there. While Mahanakhon  is more exciting due to glass,  for view I think I like Bayioke better as it’s more central.
After that I’m taking it easy because today it’s my birthday so I made myself busy thanking all well wishers on Line, e-mail and What’s Up. I quite liked that lazy , no pressure day. But at 2 I decided not to waste day completely and went to Saphan Kwai with intention to make survey of massage shops there.
By the station there are at least 3 : G’Beat, KMan and 15M but my survey today was   along Suthisan Rd. Coming from BTS  there is One Spa across gas station and on the same side of street 27 M. On opposite side there are BT HOUSE, KK SPA and Home Spa. Home Spa  is just before highway crosses street if you are taking bus.
So I stopped at Home , 1hr 500 baht min tip 1000, only two boys available immediately so I opted for one I recognized face from their Line feed. Fees are less than half of one needs to pay at Jey. But twink lover would do better than me who is rather into hunks. Boy was working hard but there was no spark from my side for that reason so I was glad when 1 hr was over and likely so was boy although we had some fun but it was more routine. I think it was my fault so don’t get me wrong.
 Being there I decided to try one more, stopped at BT house but they were  all boked with no room available according to guy on reception, He gave me aprox.  waiting time of ½ hr.  so I decided to go somewhere else and stopped at One. Again only two boys available , both hunks . One of them volunteered to explain process in quite good English so I opted for him. That was good idea. Good massage, my type of guy and quite a conversationalist, at around 40 min. he expressed wish to marry me and go with me to my country. That was fast! But before we settled on pre-nuptials 1 hr passed and session was over but fun it was. Cost and tip the same like at Home but I gave him 200 extra for lawyer drawing those pre-nuptials. I enjoyed it there.
Upon return to hotel Guardian Angel steered me to alight at Phaya Thai and take 1 stop of  ARL from there. It’s short walk to hotel  from the station but I found the gem on main street, just past railway crossing. Ordinary Thai restaurant , with half tables in the open and half behind the door. I opted for that section because AC  and ordered my customary chicken with cashews. Probably second best I had with only Oasis on Suriwong when they were there doing it even better.  Old truth that restaurant ambiance has nothing to do with quality of food it serves was mightily confirmed.
Quite an unexpected  treat for my birthday. I went to hotel to freshen up and pick up some money deciding today Tawan will be my bar of choice. Hunks and most friendly bar, what else I may want.
Taxi handily unloaded somebody in front of hotel and agreed to take me to Silom, it was about 80 baht, the same I paid for motorsai yesterday. Alighting I got message from anddy that he is dining at Gbangkok so went there to shake hands – I was full after that fabulous chicken but anddy generously offered me birthday drink so I stopped there  for longer chat with him and restaurant owner.
Then I went to Tawan as always greeted enthusiastically. Good hour before show bar was already filed . I was not only farang . in pure view I had had another one sitting with one of their boys and both were quite progressive in their behavior. Unfortunately later on farang left leaving some tip in guys’ hands so no off.
Not being just anybody there had benefits as quite fast they organized some table space so I had no less than 4 guys sitting with me including one veteran, surprisingly clingy today, Mas my favorite twink there and new acquisition ST, very handsome,  also not exactly teenager,  with butt of gold. He told  me he is there only few weeks and his brother used to work there.
 Turned out I know that brother very well in his days and even nominated  him to be best boy of my Dec 2015 trip. Getting his Line proved great acquisition. One guy was missing from the crowd, multiple offed K , all because of fairness. Right in the beginning I told him I’m offing him tonight as my birthday boy so I thought fair that other boys will get their drinks and tips. I was in the mood so not only my companions and all 3 performers but also ‘special ‘ show participants and j/o show competitors got theirs not to mention 1 or 2 for newly acquired twinks. Spending like drunken sailor at least I remained sober , chiefly because of pleasure of caressing gently and secretly  that butt of gold.
After show I jumped on K’s new shiny motorcycle , no doubt fruit of all those ‘ no customers tonight’ nights and we went to Happy Beer Garden where his cousin is waitressing while being only person in whole world allowed to call me ‘ my daddy”.
 At least return to hotel was free and we could start celebrating birthday in style, K and I.
Only disappointment this year was that hotel did not present me birthday cake like they did last year. I wonder if that was change of policy or result of opting for cheaper room where such treats don’t apply

We should pay what we agreed even if we're disappointed and not try to insist on a discount. It's the risk we take. What we do instead is to pay more than agreed if we are happy with the service.

I disagree with this and think doing so makes "some" guys think they can get paid for doing the least possible and makes it a perpetual problem. If you have children, you don't reward poor behavior. This is something I've run into in Cuba over the years and it pisses me off, they know what they're doing and look for people to just pay them for doing nothing or very little.


I'm CRYSTAL clear to what we're going to do and to make sure there is no "lost in translation" I have the mamasan confer and agreements are made.....it's a 2-way street, if all is good, they fulfill their part I fulfill  my part....no contracts needed, like in Pattaya, lol

I brought guys back to Super A and old dreamboys because of NON-performance.....not angrily, just looking for option B.

I've said many times here, If you are a tourist....a lost night is a lost night, can't recoup that. And every night is too precious to lose to a dud.

Did that for tips once at Nice Boys 2019. amazing where they all come in from outside for a total of 17 of them...

I don’t disagree Olddaddy . I’ve never been to the Philippines but have heard that the boys there are into us older daddy’s . A trip there is on my “to do” list.
ive played the daddy several times when I visitedPats  for longer periods ( + 1 month). Then I tended to retain boys for a period after the initial off, if I got on ok with them and they could communicate. Even visiting their Isaan homes in two cases. Mostly rewarding experiences both in and out of bed, but it could be a bit expensive. 

Ummmm..... definitely not !
They will probably ask you to leave.😳The drink price is really the entry price , they aren't going to give you a show for free !
I Never forget about 10 years seeing Neil the owner of hot boys Go Go shouting at a group of Russian customers who had brought their own water in from the nearby 711🤣

I was walking on Silom past Soi 4 and a guy wearing yellow shirt smiled and asked “massage?” as he offered a menu from Adam. He held the smile and I said “sure.” On the short walk back he inquired “body to body?” My reply was the same.
Adam is probably the best located shop in Silom (opposite Pride), yet many folks walk by without even seeing it en route to Circus, Balcony or Jupiter. Even though I was once a regular customer, in recent years I’ve given it a pass in as I discovered the opportunities in Saphan Kwai and other destinations. Today’s massage renewed my connection with the shop where I first met some memorable guys.
Originally agreeing to one hour (450), midway through the session I told him I wanted to extend it an additional half hour (200), my first 90-minute one of the trip. It was time and money well spent.
The room was on the third floor with massage table and shower down the hall. Water provided on arrival and tea after. 

Visas won't be your problem, assuming you're serious and this isn't your idea of a fun way to get people falling for a hoax.  The problem would be work permits, which you definitely can forget about.  You know why I don't believe a word you wrote?  Because unless you are a total moron, you already would be working with a Thai attorney who absolutely would have made it clear that you're not going to legally hire foreign bar boys.  The police would probably shut you down the day you open.
What makes you think customers would give a damn about what countries the boys come from?  Bar customers care about how the boys look and how they behave.
Maybe I'm wrong and if it turns out I am, then I'll post a public apology, but I smell a hoax here - a Bad Boy Billy type of hoax.

Ofcourse everything will be legal as we will find a way to get everyone a visa. I am just sharing my plans but please dont hate on me.

I am planning to start my business in Thailand hopefully by December. This will ofcourse be a gay bar but I am planning to get Models from different nationality such as Morroco, South Korea, Japan, Philippines and Africa. Also on  tge second floor, im planning to have a good rooms for those who want to do ST.
 
Do you think this will be a good idea? Im also open for partnership but lets talk personally on Bangkok. I already talk to one Thailand nationality so this busoness will surely happens. Just plotting everything we need.

Australian pound was replaced by dollar about 50-60 years ago

Day 9
 N sleeps in his shop. Because of that,  3 days a week  he is cleaning it before opening and after closing which I consider very fair. That was reason he could come only at 1 but I did not mind, we still had good , largely sleepless night. Left at 6  to take care about the shop so I returned to warmed bed  to get some sleep.
At 9 marched to Foodland, heart bleeding becauseby 5 minutes  I missed  time when breakfast is whopping 10 baht cheaper, then to XOne to exchange money and to Silom market in soi 10 to buy charger as I left mine in hotel in Kuala Lumpur, one of senior moments I guess because I’m not exactly known  for  leaving my stuff behind.
Silom market as market go is very modest affair but yet in my every hour of need , be it charger , coat hangers, baseball hat, undies, t-shirt , pen , day pack , you name it ,I go there and find what I need , usually for very little.
I spotted one of Jupiter mamasans manning  one of the stands.
In hotel no water again but power was so I made a coffee and then took BTS to Madrid for lunch with Christian PFC.  Always interesting chat over tasty pizza, we have our ritual and share whatever we ordered half / half with each other.
 We walked back , I was mindful that I have to meet  P from Hot Male at 3 to check stamp collection so made sure I’m there , in still empty soi on time. No sight of him , nor even answer to my Lines so at 3.30 I left empty handed. Reader reported that he will be drinking coffee at Coffee Grinder at 5 if I want to join so I used that occasion to complain, his answer was very reasonable P obviously is not in  a need of money. Good for P  thought I.
Just before 5 I got message from him “ sorry I slept in”. Too late obviously as I had other designs this afternoon.
Reader and I exchanged news while tasting their coffee and first and foremost admiring their cheerful and handsome staff. I even get bonus when boys were readying to leave at they close at 6 one of them changed  shirt to reveal torso worth 2750 baht short time in process.
This trip I decided firmly to return to old butterflying days, did not work exactly as intended with few repats anyways but at least I tried and liked it. Today I scheduled last bar I did not visit yet- Dreamboys so around 9 went there.
  Several boys on the stage already , among them Fai, very good masseur  I know from Arena so called him for drink, shortly his brother Dit arrived to wing me from other side. But I was in no mood to hire from there.  What I saw was discouraging. Out of 3 rotation about 12 each so total 30-40 guys I’d remotely consider 3 and only # 11 looked truly attractive earning red not as I departed.
 A lot of veterans of soi Twilight which says something. Ggobkk who visited few day earlier had exactly the same impression but on another hand Jason 1975 who went there few days after me completely disagreed. So either I had bad luck or he had good one or there’s fundamental difference in taste. As I said somewhere else and tend to repeat constantly -  go and check for yourself , my throwaway may be your treasure and other way around.
 Tipped both brothers 200 for their time and old times sake  and decided to have another try at Moonlight I visited last week. With all bars covered time for 2nd round.
I was hoping to see Y , who impressed me on my last night in Feb and yes , he was on the stage. No time was wasted to bring him over for a drink and before his was delivered , night’s fate was sealed.
A,  the hunk spotted me as well so I invited him for drink too , if only to tell him that I did not like last week  when he abandoned me from another customer.
 This time he did not go anywhere  until his drink was finished . So I used that to try to wrestle him a bit which we always do  , he always wins but my ego is still boosted because I manage to resist for  a bit. He made suggestion we repeat Feb feast with Y and him together but I said that for me it’s twice expense for half fun so he gave up trying.  
In models parade I noticed few new faces, Jack who appeared very nervous last week seems settled now but for now Mean seem to be my #1. I also noticed I’m warming up to Babe, perhaps because now he is not one to close parade as he always did , now he is one of many.
I did not see Nut last time neither during parade today but at one point he showed up, came to say hallo, admitted casually he is late and way he was dressed made me suspect that he must be in good hands now. Very formal and elegant at the same time so I’m happy for him he found his girl or man, whoever. Another one not present was Nicky, neither last week nor today but time I was in love with him is long gone.
I’m glad they are trying to refresh their models  stable  as old faces and bodies , while still attractive are becoming bit stale so new blood is needed. On another hand I must admit original set was of really outstanding quality,  real hunky hunks while never crew is somewhat mixed which is not necessarily wrong as not everybody likes that type.
 At one point I start getting itchy so tipped A and  marched with Y to hotel by the way of Unesco Heritage. Y turned endearingly modest when comes to food as Foodland was his idea and he chosen some ordinary dish like pad Thai. Not that modest when came to LT tip but absolutely and positively did his best to earn it. One of those few precious who feel immediately what and when customer wants. By far best night of this trip. I was so excited and happy that I almost pay dearly for all that fun but that’s the story for next installment .
 

Only because you are a "daddy"!

for breakfast I like that O'Delices , French bakery on the corner , across from Soda massage,

or reckless spenders

Yes, these are the very popular guys who have regular customers whom they meet directly on their own. Or maybe they have sugardaddies who provide for them and they work at bar just for fun.