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Valuable thoughts, worth quoting in full. Yes I did. That's why I feign/express gratitude when I get gifts from Thai friends (whereas as in my family, I refuse to take the gift). In June 2018, one bought me a polo shirt. Weeks or months later, I thanked him again and sent pictures of me wearing it. But unfortunately, it didn't work out in bed, so we met only that one time. There is a positive trend, in 2018 I got more gifts than things were stolen from me! But the number of gifts requested is still higher than the number of gifts I get. I bought 6 different sweets/snacks in Taiwan to give to friends in Thailand (and if anything is left, I will eat it myself). The question is: how to distribute it. Send a picture to the first boy and let him choose (he might not like some of it, or like another). Then repeat with the 5 that is left with the next boy. Or bring one arbitrarily as a surprise? Imagine the ignominy if the same is available in Thailand (but at least I selected stuff that has large Chinese script on it). I will give some to friends who have not asked about gifts, else we get the unfair situation that those who ask might get something, and those who do not ask do not get anything. Giving gifts is full of traps! Clothes might not fit or not be the wearer's style, food allergies or preferences. I have a Muslim money boy regular, imagine the insult if I brought him rice crackers with pork floss (I got once as a gift, but I can eat as I'm not Muslim).

Do they ask you about time and destination? But then it would be no surprise any more. I'm thinking of a ticket that is a surprise, but then I might not be free at that time, or not want to go to that place.

Did you notice the cable ties?

On the subject of fire safety and emergency exits, here pictures I took on a van last year.

Like my mother buying clothes for me. It's difficult enough for me to find thins worth buying (books, clothes). Especially clothes shopping I loathe and wear those I have until they are threadbare, and only shortly before they fall off my body I buy something new. My mother, on the other hand, loves buying clothes for me, but often not what I need, and anyway clothes in Thailand are a lot cheaper and last as long as those in Germany. When I book flight tickets, it's days of agony, optimizing day and time of departure, price, duration of stopover. I never had someone else buy a ticket for me, the idea is absurd. For food I gratefully accept invitations (preferably at places of my choice), and I eat food brought by others (Thai boys), but would prefer they do not bring me food. Bringing food is just one line above asking for money on my list of annoyances. But I can't say so, they wouldn't understand, rather feign positive surprise and thank them. The development of Thailand in relation to the rest of the world has been discussed in stickmanbangkok https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2019/03/the-best-is-still-the-best/ and subsequent columns.

My last post got lost in discussion of economical situation in Thailand. Here again in italic, and some further notes below. My numbering in quote. 1. There is no precedence. But in principle I would, after several positive encounters. But no free boy managed to tally up enough positive encounters (let's say 4) to warrant a such an expense. Money boys yes, but they already got paid. The boy in question was free (as are most of my encounters nowadays). 2. Considering that even Klong Toey slum has running water, electricity, and some even have aircon and big flat screen TVs, I take the third world back. 3. I have no interest in traveling to as many different countries possible (which seems to be a hobby of some), but rather learn the language to facilitate traveling in that one country, Thailand in this case (and now extending to Chinese and Taiwan). At current, I have overnighted in 55 out of 77 provinces in Thailand and spent estimated 300 nights in 150 different hotels in Thailand (excluding Bangkok and Pattaya). I have travelled an estimated 20,000 km on the Thai railway network, and similar on buses. So yes, I think I am well travelled in Thailand. My low opinion of Thai people is based on my experience. Your experience might be different, but you probably never chased a village idiot from end of the village to the other, trying to get your hand into his pants, and failing. I had many good experiences as well, and should make a statistics to see which is more, maybe it's just my brain that remembers the negative more than the positive. Related subject: how many of your (Scooby) encounters in Thailand are paid? My experiences with money boys in Thailand (mostly Thai, but some Cambodian, Myanmar and Lao as well, however no Vietnamese for me) are overwhelmingly positive. Only when I'm looking for free sex, the problems arise. With money boys in gogo bars, there are no space-time-confusion and other problems, and when hiring online these problems are more easily overcome than with free encounters. New contents: There is actually one boy who would qualify for a gift, after several encounters with no problems! However, he never asked me for money or anything else. That leads to the absurd situation that those who do not ask, do not get anything; and those who ask might get something (I have brought sweets from Germany for boys, and will bring something from Taiwan, just so I can answer that dreaded question "Did you bring a gift/souvenir for me?" in the affirmative. And to avoid answering the follow up-question "What is is?" to assess the value, I will wrap it and send a picture of the wrapped gift! There is a simple reason why I'm reluctant to make gifts: I hate getting gifts! It sounds absurd, but I don't like it when people bring stuff (food or clothes) for me, and I rejected gifts from my parents and we have come to an agreement of only monetary gifts, no more material gifts.

I gave up going into darkroom in saunas in Thailand for several reasons: I like to see my partner during sex. Most darkrooms are so dark you can't see and pose a safety risk (I bumped into people and I hurt my feet and leg on furniture that is standing around, so I stopped going before I hit my head or have an eye poked out). And most importantly: if I see nobody I like in the lit areas, why would there someone I like in the dark areas? Eyes adapt to darkness slowly. When entering, can't see anything. But after minutes, shapes appear out of the darkness. That means those who have been in for a while have an advantage that they can see you, but you can't see them. From all my observations in Thai sauna darkrooms I have come to the conclusion, that attractive people don't have to go to darkroom, they can easily get sex in light. Darkroom in Taipei gay sauna is different: the light is sufficient for me, and I go and play every time.

That is indeed one area where Thais positively surprise me. Not just boys I had sex with. In 2018, a taxi driver told me he once drove me and a friend, and as he specified the place where I got out, he was right! That was in 2013, my friend took taxi to Pattaya and I got out at ABAC on the way. Sometimes I just recognize the boy, but he remembers my name, where I come from and other stuff we talked about, and where we went and what we did. However, some are just fishing. One told me met x years ago and had sex, without going into detail, but as he is not my type I can say with certainty that we never had sex. I remember where they come from much better than their names. I sometimes have to refer to my notes or even to my blog to refresh my memory about a particular boy, in order to decide whether to meet him again or not, or what to pay attention to.

I'm more (make that: only) interested in his Thai partner, who was in his home village near Mukdahan when I chatted with him on blued some months ago. What language is that tattoo on his chest? I asked a Burmese friend, it's not Burmese.

My numbering in quote. 1. There is no precedence. But in principle I would, after several positive encounters. But no free boy managed to tally up enough positive encounters (let's say 4) to warrant a such an expense. Money boys yes, but they already got paid. The boy in question was free (as are most of my encounters nowadays). 2. Considering that even Klong Toey slum has running water, electricity, and some even have aircon and big flat screen TVs, I take the third world back. 3. I have no interest in traveling to as many different countries possible (which seems to be a hobby of some), but rather learn the language to facilitate traveling in that one country, Thailand in this case (and now extending to Chinese and Taiwan). At current, I have overnighted in 55 out of 77 provinces in Thailand and spent estimated 300 nights in 150 different hotels in Thailand (excluding Bangkok and Pattaya). I have travelled an estimated 20,000 km on the Thai railway network, and similar on buses. So yes, I think I am well travelled in Thailand. My low opinion of Thai people is based on my experience. Your experience might be different, but you probably never chased a village idiot from end of the village to the other, trying to get your hand into his pants, and failing. I had many good experiences as well, and should make a statistics to see which is more, maybe it's just my brain that remembers the negative more than the positive. Related subject: how many of your (Scooby) encounters in Thailand are paid? My experiences with money boys in Thailand (mostly Thai, but some Cambodian, Myanmar and Lao as well, however no Vietnamese for me) are overwhelmingly positive. Only when I'm looking for free sex, the problems arise. With money boys in gogo bars, there are no space-time-confusion and other problems, and when hiring online these problems are more easily overcome than with free encounters.

I have been to gay saunas in Bangkok extensively (100 times per year) in 2016 and 2017. The result is clear: too few customers are my type (18-25 slim body, brown skin, no body hair) to warrant the time and money spent. However if you are in average types of all ages above 25, you will be happy.

The difference between "like" and "want". I don't tell mamasans who I like, because then there is a high chance they will call him over to sit with me, and then not ordering a drink would be rude. However, mostly I just want to watch the boys on stage before making a decision who to sit with or off. In a similar vein, a friend once brought me some food xxx. ChristianPFC "Why did you bring xxx?". Friend "You said you like xxx." ChristianPFC "Yes I like xxx, but I don't want to eat it right now." When I hit the Enter key, I always get an empty line as in the text above, unless I'm at the end of the line in editor, then I don't get an empty line. Why is this and what can I do about it when I don't want an empty line?

I would not spend much thought on it. In all my years of going to gogo bars, with a ratio of looking to buying of about 10 to 1, I was in a similar situation only once. That was in Eros about 4 years ago. A boy I had before and wanted again was sitting with a customer, so I asked staff if the customers intends to off the boy. The answer was no, so I waited and got the boy soon after. Else I would have gone somewhere else. Another occasion, a few months ago in Kawaii, a boy I was keen on (from chatting online) and would have offed was sitting with a customer, and it looked like they would spend more time, so I did not interfere. Anyway, I spend most of my time in Thailand, so I can let others, who most like are tourists, get the boy first and I can get him later (and I did!). As for befriending mamasan, about 5 years ago I befriended a mamasan at Classic Boys Bangkok, or at least I thought so. But after chatting with him several times, and buying him beers several times, it became clear to me that he is not interested in friendship, but in the beer I buy him. As for having regulars, I would quickly get to doing this business directly in order to save time and money. (For me, going to a bar knowing which boy I would take home is a waste of time and money. Others might have different attitudes.)

But they do so with their own money (or on credit or mortgage). Whereas the money boys want us to buy them things. And my opinion is that a third-world prostitute does not need (but might want) a first-world trophy phone (and as my current phone is a Samsung for 10 kTHB, I'm not preaching water and drinking wine; however in the past it was even easier when I could pull out my 8 kTHB i-mobile or 6 kTHB Asus Zenphone and show them: look, that's my phone, I won't buy you a (whatever).)

Good work. Subject doesn't apply to me, as I have a room in Bangkok and elsewhere stay in hotels prices 300-700 THB per night. I take similar notes for hotels in the provinces. In some places, I find a good hotel at first try, others I have to shop around and take a different hotel every time I stay in that town. Safe is not important to me. My pet peeve is lack of space to put stuff on in bathroom. I prefer bathroom sink in a tiled table. In some hotels, there is nowhere to put my stuff. The sink itself is curved and will be wet. Tray under mirror often curved. Lid of water reservoir for toilet curved, and if something slides it might end in the toilet! Joiner fee is a scam they run in touristy places. In the provinces, I even brought two boys to stay overnight in a double bed room without problems.

It's not clear where the boy you are talking about comes from (which country). That would be rude by my standards, i.e. I wouldn't treat anyone like that (unless agreed upon upfront). As for the mobile phone. I don't have the newest / most expensive Samsung or iPhone as I can't justify the expense for myself, and even less for buying one for someone else. My current phone cost 10k THB. In principle I would spend the same on a phone as a gift for a boy, but i have yet to meet the boy who brought me so much happiness and who I consider deserves such a gift. It's a vicious circle! Boys ask for a phone after sleeping with me once, some even before we meet. For that reason, I delay meeting them again, or don't meet them at all, so they can't bring me that much happiness to warrant that expense. Recent case was the boy in Sakaew. We had a good time in bed and I would meet him again as soon as possible. But he asked for a mobile phone (Samsung J6 for 7990 THB). For that reason, he went down in the list. Else, I would have gone to meet him again two or three weeks after, and if he had asked me after third meeting, I would probably have bought him the phone.

If he shows up at all. I think their way of thinking is rather take the advance (let's say 200 THB sent by online banking), and do not show up, and block the customer on online dating/facebook/Line/phone number.

Thanks DivineMadman for all his work and posting. If massage was my thing, I would visit all of them and contribute, but it's not (currently about one massage per month). Varying massage skills have been brought up. There was one guy I liked in (forgot the name, long closed, underneath BTS Sala Daeng on Eastern side). His massage was poor, but he was my type. And in the course of one year of working there, his massage skills did not improve. Occasionally friends who do not work in massage give me massage, and usually good.

Did you pay anything upfront? I chatted with several money boys from further away, who I have not met before, who asked for an partial advance payment to cover travel expenses. I don't want to be the one to find out that that's a scam, and never did.

Thanks all for your replies, especially sglad. I said "most Thais" and I correct this to "most Thais I try to get into bed". I have met honest, intelligent, hard working Thais, but they are the minority. There are scientifc studies [citation needed] that about half of a person's success in education is determined by genes, and about half is determined by social influences. Why do Thai trains not run on time? There is no traffic jam, everything can be planned to the minute, for days, weeks months in advance, but why are most trains late? When I travel out of tourist areas, I am sometimes approached by children, who out of curiosity want to talk with me. Let's assume they study English at school [is it compulsory? how many hours per week?], but their level varies considerably. Most of them just bring out "hello", "good morning teacher" regardless of time of day, and I have been greeted "fuck you" a few times (not literally, not as an insult, they were just proud to use the one English sentence they know). But a few would start and could hold a conversation over several correct sentences. Blame it on the educational system or the majority of the population not being talented for foreign languages (that would be the genetic influence mentioned above). Look what people of all ages on public transport are doing on their mobile phones, mostly playing games. A stage that I overcome around age 15. I have met plenty who are unwilling to learn useful things, like using the bus or the MRT. Whatever you call it when a 20 year old from upcountry, who has been in Bangkok for 2 months, does not know how to and does not want to use the bus, I call it STUPID. I remain by my statement, re-worded: For most Thais I try to get into bed, mental development stopped between age 12 and 15, but their body continues to age. I wish their body stopped ageing at 20 and their brain developed further. That's my opinion, based on five years of traveling and dating in Thailand. But I'm open for other explanations of the behavior/conditions I observed. My slight Asperger Autism [self-diagnosed and confirmed by friends] might explain that I see things different from most forum members and in a way that is not politically correct. Or I have been unlucky and met the wrong boys (5 years long), but for the trains there is a website that shows delays, and even trains I'm not on are delayed, so it's not me.

Absolutely. Or as I put it in less favorable way: Most Thais' mental development stops between age 12 and 15, but their physical development does not stop (meaning, their body gets older). I wish it was the other way round: their physical development stops at age 20, and their mental development continues.

Talking of filters, I don't use any. Some people do not have stats (age, weight, height would be important for me), or obviously wrong stats, and anyway it's entertaining to see who is around, even if not my specs. The video apps on hornet are indeed stupid. They advertise for facebook! I think mankind is split in: those who are already on facebook, those who do not want to be on facebook.

I do not tip waiters or mamasan. I only tip staff I have sexual contact with: boys who sit with me 100, boys I off 1000.

My experience is rather the opposite. Two recent cases: Boy from Nakon Sawan is in Bangkok and lives 3 km away from. He wants to meet, but after 2 months in Bangkok doesn't know how to get around. I send him detailed instructions (it's a straight ride by bus): "I don't know. Can yo come here?" Another one lives on the purple line MRT, but has never taken MRT! He wants to meet, but "I don't know. Can you come here and pick me up?" NO I WONT! That level of stupdity/idiocy/unwillingness to learn is huge turn-off for me. After reading such bullshit, my interest in that boy is gone for the day (but depending on boy and circumstances, I will try another day and if I can combine it with other activities, or are horny, might go to pick him up).

Automatic translation sometimes gives good results, in other occasions is useless. You have to consider that it works poorly for slang, and that's what most posts on facebook or online dating are. But for clear pronunciation / correct writing and standard language, results are good. A recent example: I was in Central Plaza Westgate and got a message from a Thai who used online translation: Can you guess what it means? To me it's immediately obvious, as the Thai word for "class" (in a school or university) and "level/storey" (in a bulding) is the same. So he was asking me to come to 3rd floor toilet.