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The Air France Concorde Crash

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Very interesting report @Peter. I knew about the metal on the runway but I did not know about the pilot errors. 
 

I flew often on Concorde as I was a monthly transatlantic commuter for 3 years. I really enjoyed being on the aircraft.

As an aside, I’ve been wary of AF pilots for some years. This report just reinforces my wariness. It originated with my learning of the numerous pilot errors that caused the AF flight from Rio to Paris to crash in 2009 (killing all 228 passengers and crew). 

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9 hours ago, NIrishGuy said:

Just for the record and to appease any other members who may be wondering why this post is here - can you please clarify were there any "Gays"  on the flight( apart from the cabin crew of course)- just so it makes the subject a little more relevant to the Board perhaps !? :-)

I reckon your guess is as good as mine. So I will not guess. But perhaps it might be timely to repeat the Beer Bar sub-head - "Open to general topics not covered elsewhere including Current Events, Politics, Religion, Movies and other topics. Discuss the topic, not the policy or personality. Have fun and enjoy!"

As with quite an number of topics in the Beer Bar, there seems to be no requirement for any gay content.

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10 hours ago, msclelovr said:

Very interesting report @Peter. I knew about the metal on the runway but I did not know about the pilot errors. 

Thank you. What makes this crash even more sad is that almost the same situation had occurred years earlier - and nothing had been done about it. An Air France Concorde was departing Dulles Airport in Washington on 14 June 1979. On the take-off roll two of its tyres burst. Part of the rubber actually pierced the wing and left a hole through the entire wing structure. Fuel leaked out. An airline pilot who happened to be sitting close to the point where the hole occurred drew the crew's attention to it. At first the response was, we're continuing to Paris! Only when the co-pilot actually came out of the cockpit to look at the damage did the captain reduce thrust and land back at Dulles. I do not know the cause of the tyre burst, but it would surely have reasonable to assume that the two Concorde operators might thereafter have at least considered fitting a more robust tyre.

As another regular poster has frequently pointed out, Air France would not be his airline of choice. In addition to the Rio/Paris disaster, there was the August 2005 crash of an Airbus A340 on landing at Toronto. The aircraft overshot the runway and dropped into a ravine. Merciafully there were no fatalities but the A340 was totally destroyed by fire. The official Report put the blame on the pilots.

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23 minutes ago, a-447 said:

Then there's the case of the Air France demonstration flight at an air show where the plane took off and crashed into the forest at the end of the runway.

Astonishingly, although the aircraft was flying low to the ground to demonstrate its agility, it was carrying 136 passengers and crew, 3 of whom died. It was supposed to fly at 100 ft. above the runway with undercarriage down. In fact, reports say it was only at 30 ft. and then could not climb fast enough to avoid the trees. The official BEA Report is also controversial as it maintained flying at 30 ft off the ground was not a deliberate action of the pilot. However, he was found guilty along with others and sentenced to 10 months in prison. There were also reports that the flight recorder might have been tampered with and 4 seconds cut from the tape. 

This reminds me of a Cathay Pacific 777 pilot who was fired 3 years ago. He was at Boeing's Paine Field to pick up a new 777ER and fly it to Hong Kong. On board were 60 VIPs  including Cathay Pacific's Chairman. Apparently it is not uncommon for pilots picking up new aircraft to buzz the ground after departure as a way of saying goodbye to the airport staff. This pilot did the stunt at only 30 feet off the ground without the undercarriage down. Such flybys require approval from the airline and air traffic control. It is believed  neither had been obtained. Looking at this short, vdo, I'm not sure I would like to have been on that plane!

 

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6 hours ago, PeterRS said:

As with quite an number of topics in the Beer Bar, there seems to be no requirement for any gay content.

Just to clarify my post was a joke based on that "why are non gay things posted on this board" post by someone else in another thread. I enjoyed reading your post and found it interesting - imagine that, a "gay" being able to find something interesting that didn't mean Asian cocks, who'd of believed it eh ! :-)

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The crash at Tenerife was both horrible and unique in that involved no mechanical failure of either of the two 747's. They collided on the same runway (headed in opposite directions) due to series of communications snafus and heavy fog. One had just barely got airborne but too late to escape ripping off the fuselage of the other aircraft trying to turn away at the last moment. Here's a brief dramatization of those final minutes that took the lives of 583.

 

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2 hours ago, reader said:

The crash at Tenerife was both horrible and unique in that involved no mechanical failure of either of the two 747's

It was indeed a horrible accident that, like the Concorde crash, did not need to happen. To give a bit more of the background than on that short video, most of the planes at Tenerife airport that afternoon were not supposed to be there. Their destination had been Gran Canaria about 100 kms away. But a terrorist bomb had gone off at Gran Canaria airport around 1:00 pm. As a result, the airport was closed. The nearest airport was Tenerife, a much smaller airport cut out of a hillside that was not really equipped to handle 747 aircraft but the runway was just long enough for them to land and take off. So most of the aircraft destined for Gran Canaria were diverted there. These included five wide body aircraft including the Pan Am and KLM 747s.

Apart from its runway, Tenerife had just one taxiway from the Terminal with 4 linking off ramps from the main runway. With limited parking facilities, Tenerife's apron quickly became saturated and could take no more aircraft. Pan Am had arrived first. KLM a little later. The KLM 747 was parked behind the Pan Am aircraft. So Pan Am could only move once the KLM flight had moved away from its position. As the delay got longer and longer, many passengers and aircraft crew became visibly pissed off. Then cloud started coming down from the hill in front of the airport, basically ensuring no aircraft could take off until it at least partially cleared.

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Not to scale map of Tenerife airport from wikipedia with the crash point marked with the red star

Once Gran Canaria had reopened, the Tenerife controllers tried to get the delayed planes away as quickly as possible. But the airport had no ground radar. Worse, the pilots had no experience of the airport. Pan Am was all set to go, but was stuck behind the KLM 747 whose captain had decided to save time at Gran Canaria by refuelling at Tenerife. So Pan Am had to wait an extra 30 minutes before the refuelling truck was out of the way and KLM ready to taxi to the end of the runway. With part of the taxiway also blocked, KLM had to use the main runway for taxing before turning at the end and standing by. Just before then, Pan Am was also given instructions to taxi on the main runway and then turn off at Exit No. 3. To be certain, they asked the controller for confirmation, He very clearly said "number three - one, two three." By a stroke of terrible luck, there was still fog, the runway exits were not marked and the Pan Am crew became disorientated. They passed Exits 1 and 2 but then seemed to become confused. They missed Exit 3 and so continued taxiing expecting to find it quickly.

Because of the lack of ground radar, air traffic control had little idea where the 747s were. Juggling so many aircraft, the controller also seemed to become unsure of his instructions. Once at the end of the runway and ready to take off, the highly experienced KLM captain said he was ready for take off. The controller confirmed this and his message included "stand by, I will call you." But due to bad maintenance of the radio equipment, part of the full message was garbled. The controller then instructed Pan Am to report when he was clear of the runway. The KLM flight crew heard this exchange but interpreted it to mean that Pan Am was already clear of the runway. So the KLM captain, despite some concerns raised by his co-pilot, decided to take off. As is shown in the vdo, Pan Am had only just reached Exit 4. Seeing the KLM plane bearing down on them out of the fog, the crew added full throttle. But this takes about six seconds to have an effect. Even though the KLM captain attempted to take off well before he had reached his scheduled take off speed, the two 747s inevitably collided.

The Accident Report found that the primary cause was the KLM captain taking off without formal clearance. It was suggested that he was extremely anxious to do so because of new maximum duty hours recently put in place by KLM. He was afraid his crew and the aircraft might end up being stuck at Gran Canaria overnight. Other factors played into the accident including the fog, the extra delay caused by the KLM captain's decision to refuel at Tenerife to save time and incorrect communications to and from air traffic control. As Captain Hutchinson says in the Concorde vdo, most aircraft accidents result from a combination fo circumstances. This was certainly true with what is still the world's deadliest passenger aircraft accident.

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10 hours ago, vinapu said:

considering I'm flying off overseas tonight ( regretfully not to Thailand ) all those true stories are keeping my spirit up before taking off, he , he.

Happy landings - the proper ones!!

Many years ago, being aware that in aircraft accidents involving fire a majority of victims die from smoke inhalation before they can get to the exits, I did some research and found a company which specialised in manufacturing proper smoke hoods. These provided up to 15 minutes of breathable air, time enough to escape from a burning plane. The equipment was called Evac-U-8 manufactured by a Canadian company.

So I purchased two, one for my apartment and one for flying. They were cylindrical, about the size of an old Coca Cola can. Slightly bulky but I felt they could save my life if ever I found myself in a fire. When I stupidly left one on a plane, I purchased another. They did make me feel safer and fortunately I did not have to use one. In fact, I was doubly fortunate. After I had been carrying one around for about 5 years, the product was found to have a defect and recalled. Refunds were promised but the manufacturer went bust. At one time there was a discussion somewhere about the desire for all passenger aircraft to have smoke hoods in every seat. This was ditched due to cost.

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Thanks to OP PeterRS for this thread - very interesting.  Vaguely remember some of these stories and was fascinating to get the details & videos.  Aviation history always seems to lure me in 

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13 hours ago, vinapu said:

considering I'm flying off overseas tonight ( regretfully not to Thailand ) all those true stories are keeping my spirit up before taking off, he , he.

 

Likewise...I'm literally walking out the door to the airport to head for a flight to Gibraltar and just realised that perhaps this isn't the best thread to be reading just now :-)

 

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10 minutes ago, NIrishGuy said:

Likewise...I'm literally walking out the door to the airport to head for a flight to Gibraltar and just realised that perhaps this isn't the best thread to be reading just now :-)

 

Perhaps a cheap, trashy Barbara Cartland romance novel will help while away your time and dispel any fears. "The Wings of Ecstacy" sounds ideal LOL

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@PeterRS you’re putting too much emphasis on the tyres of Concorde. You’re also neglecting to mention the Concorde accident of 1989 that occurred in Sydney, Australia.

A chartered BA Concorde was (IIRC) coming from New Zealand and flying into Sydney. On coming over the city, the upper part of the rudder broke off and sheared through the tail in one direction. If the metal had gone in the other direction, it would have severed the fuel lines and the aircraft would have become unflyable. It was extraordinary luck that a catastrophic accident was averted. As it was, the damage was only noticed once the Concorde had landed safely and was on the ground. 
 

As I flew a lot in those years, I got to know quite a few British Airways personnel. One time, a BA engineer happily chatted to me and detailed how the Concorde was checked every month. I can’t speak for the AF aircraft but BA checked its Concordes by stripping the aircraft completely down to the paintwork and inspecting for minute cracks. Of course, so few were built that eventually one (that BA had donated to a museum) had to be cannibalised for spare parts.

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19 minutes ago, msclelovr said:

@PeterRS you’re putting too much emphasis on the tyres of Concorde. You’re also neglecting to mention the Concorde accident of 1989 that occurred in Sydney, Australia.

A chartered BA Concorde was (IIRC) coming from New Zealand and flying into Sydney. On coming over the city, the upper part of the rudder broke off and sheared through the tail in one direction. If the metal had gone in the other direction, it would have severed the fuel lines and the aircraft would have become unflyable. It was extraordinary luck that a catastrophic accident was averted. As it was, the damage was only noticed once the Concorde had landed safely and was on the ground. 

I have no idea what you mean about my having put too much emphasis on the tyres. That information is provided in the Experts Report that I mention in the OP, it is included in Captain Hutchison's comments on the attached video and is further included in the official BEA Report. The tyre shredding was a vital reason for that particular crash. May I direct you to page 93 of the BEA Report (as linked in the OP) which points out that prior to the 2000 crash, there had been no less than 57 incidents involving Concorde tyre bursts - 30 on Air France aircraft and 27 on BA aircraft. Twelve of these bursts had resulted in "structural consequences on the wings and/or the tanks, of which six led to penetration of the tanks." A further 21 incidents were noted. Despite all this, neither airline had decided to change the type of tyres used on Concorde. This only occurred after the 2000 crash when stronger tyres less capable of shredding were designed and added.

I am well aware of the Sydney incident.  Exactly the same was to occur 3 years later on BA001 en route to New York on 19 March 1992. Below are photos of the structural damage to both from which it is easy to see that the breakage was to the upper rudders and virtually identical on both flights - 

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1989 Photo at Sydney airport after charter flight from Christchurch following in flight loss of rudder part

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1992 Photo of BA001 on arrival in New York following in flight loss of rudder part

Rudder failure or breakage played zero part in the 2000 AF crash. The important point here I suggest is that neither one of the above two rudder incidents involved loss of life. Even after the parts broke off, the flights carried on as normal with the crew unaware of what had happened and both landed safely at their destinations. We remember the 2000 crash simply because it caused a total loss of life and total destruction of the aircraft.

With all respect, nothing that I have read indicates that either 'breakage' could have led to severing of fuel lines. As noted in the fuel tank locations in the OP, there is only one small fuel tank at the back of the aircraft - Tank #11. The Sydney bound aircraft was not over Sydney when the breakage occurred. Both accident reports make it clear the aircraft were in fact travelling over sea at supersonic speed when the rudder parts broke off. At that speed it would have been impossible for the broken parts to drop down and tear open the aft of the aircraft's structure. The parts themselves had a honeycomb structure and were relatively light in weight. The massive speed of the wind flowing off the wings would unquestionably have propelled them backwards at very considerable velocity. This from the NZ/Sydney accident report - 

"failure had been limited to the upper part of the rudder which is constructed from skin panels bonded to a honeycomb core."

But I think the surprising issue in your post is that both rudder accidents were on BA aircraft. Whatever repairs BA made after the Tasman Sea incident were not sufficient to stop the same fault occurring a second time. Mercifully neither involved damage to a structurally essential part of the aircraft for the upper and lower rudders could operate independently if absolutely necessary.

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1 hour ago, msclelovr said:

I can’t speak for the AF aircraft but BA checked its Concordes by stripping the aircraft completely down to the paintwork and inspecting for minute cracks. 

That is common procedure for all commercial airliners.

It's called the D check and is carried out every 6 ~10 years, depending on the aircraft type.

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26 minutes ago, a-447 said:

That is common procedure for all commercial airliners.

It's called the D check and is carried out every 6 ~10 years, depending on the aircraft type.

I agree @a-447 but my point was that BA did it monthly on Concorde

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Please don’t take offence @PeterRS. I’m not disputing what you wrote, and I’m certainly not disputing the causes identified in expert reports. I apologise if you feel slighted - it was not my intention. 

My comment was intended to highlight the emphasis on tyres and debris on runways - a problem common to all aircraft.
 

I mentioned Sydney & Concorde because it is an example of disaster luckily averted. Maybe my understanding is wrong but I cited what a senior manager (in Engineering) at BA told me in confidence at the time, that if the part of the rudder has sheared off in the other direction it would have cut through the lines on that side and the aircraft would have been unflyable (and crashing into the Sydney urban area with great loss of life). 

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2 hours ago, msclelovr said:

Please don’t take offence @PeterRS. I’m not disputing what you wrote, and I’m certainly not disputing the causes identified in expert reports. I apologise if you feel slighted - it was not my intention. 

My comment was intended to highlight the emphasis on tyres and debris on runways - a problem common to all aircraft.
 

I mentioned Sydney & Concorde because it is an example of disaster luckily averted. Maybe my understanding is wrong but I cited what a senior manager (in Engineering) at BA told me in confidence at the time, that if the part of the rudder has sheared off in the other direction it would have cut through the lines on that side and the aircraft would have been unflyable (and crashing into the Sydney urban area with great loss of life). 

No offence taken at all. I merely failed to make the link between the 2000 crash and the Sydney incident.

I am sure the advice you were given was correct had the aircraft been flying at a much slower speed and was perhaps banking. I have no expert backing for my view about the upper part of the rudder shearing off at high velocity behind the aircraft. As it was at supersonic speed when it happened, I merely cannot see how the broken section could possibly have flown off in a downwards direction.

But your comment about your source reminded me that when it comes to accidents, even experts have not only differing views but sometimes wrong views. It brings to mind another fatal crash - yes, I can hear groans from some readers, sorry. Some will certainly remember the Soviet Union's shooting down of KAL007 on 1 September 1983 as it was approaching Japanese air space on a flight to Seoul from New York and Anchorage. This was a bizarre series of events about which there were many theories, even after the end of the Soviet Union when the Russian files were finally opened up for inspection by western experts.

Soon after the crash, I was having drinks in one of my usual watering holes after work the Dickens Bar in Hong Kong's Excelsior Hotel. My friend and I were sitting at the bar when two others sat down beside us. It turned out they were pilots of South African Airways. Their conversation soon turned to KAL007. To encapsulate their comments, they said they were certain the Korean 747 must have been on a spying mission. That was certainly one of the theories floating around at the time, although in the years since then that has been superseded by one suggesting that the pilot made an obvious mistake after he left Anchorage by wrongly programming the computer. This error led to the aircraft progressively taking a course far to the west of the one on his flight plan. As a result he steered the aircraft first over the Soviet's Kamchatka Peninsula, re-entered international airspace before returning over Soviet Airspace above Sakhalin Island. 

By this time KAL007 had inexplicably deviated 300 miles off course as is shown on this map. The lower of the two routes has the identification beacons to help with navigation -

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In 1983 the Cold War was at its height. The Soviet Union was in crisis. Yuri Andropov had taken over on the death of Brezhnev the previous year. But Andropov himself was not in good health. In February he suffered total kidney failure. The country was mired in a war in Afghanistan which Andropov had opposed. The Soviet economy was in disastrous stagnation. The military was virtually the only part of the economy that the west believed might be on a par with its own. In America, President Reagan had recently dubbed the Soviet Union "an evil empire". He had also announced the start of the USA's "Star Wars" programme which would provide additional protection from attack by Soviet missiles.

Meanwhile, the Soviet high command never believed a civilian airliner would overfly its airspace. So when KAL007 appeared on the radar there was chaos. They had no idea what to do. Eventually, with KAL007 about to leave airspace over the Kamchatka Peninsula, fighters were sent up to intercept it. But they were too late. As the 747 approached Sakhallin, however, they were on alert and two fighter jets were scrambled to approach it. Soon they were trailing the 747 about 4 miles to its rear. With its bulbous front, the 747 is a very distinctive aircraft. The fighter pilots could have identified it. On the other hand, being a night flight, all the window shades were probably down. It could, for all they knew, have been a cargo plane or one adapted for military use. However, years after the Soviet Union had died, the captain of one fighter jet claimed to be aware that there were two decks with windows on the KAL plane and that such an aircraft adapted for military use would have very few windows. They knew it was a passenger aircraft. 

One fighter pilot fired warning shots ahead of the Korean plane. Those in the cockpit, unaware of their position, clearly did not see or hear them. In fact they had just had clearance from air traffic control in Japan to ascend from 33,000 ft to 35,000 ft. When the 747 did not descend, there was more chaos in the Soviets air defence headquarters. They took the ascent to mean the 747 was taking avoiding action. With time running out, the fighter pilot fired two missiles. One exploded close to the 747. As was later discovered after the Russians released a great deal of information about the crash in 1992, the missile did not hit the 747. It exploded near the rear. Three of the four hydraulic cables were severed but the outer skin was not punctured, there was no loss of cabin pressure and the four engines continued to function. Indeed, the 747 continued flying for 12 whole minutes before the pilots lost all control and the aircraft spiralled to the ocean. It must have been the most horrific way to die. Making matters worse for the Koreans, Russian ships were first on the scene. Over months they reclaimed some of the wreckage including the black boxes. They refused to reveal this knowledge until 1992.

I don't know enough to give much more information. Two things are clear, though. KAL007 was having difficulty communicating with Anchorage after the aircraft had reached its cruising altitude. So it had help from another KAL aircraft which was flying close behind on the same route. For whatever reason, it had no problem with flying on the scheduled flight plan route. But there was a third plane also very close by. This was one of America's spy planes, a Boeing RC-135, the military version of the 707. This was flying figure-of-eight patterns very close to KAL007. Coincidentally one of its '8s' coincided with the arrival of KAL007 in Soviet airspace. Could the fighter jets controllers have confused the two aircraft? It was known the USA wanted to find out what new air defence systems the Soviets might have been installed on Kamchatka and Sakhalin. It was also believed that there had secretly been a major missile installation much further inland but they did not know where. Could the USA military have created the deviation of KAL007 into Soviet airspace so as to lead to activation of alarm systems on that installation so providing the USA with a precise location? They would surely have assumed - erroneously - that the Soviets would not shoot down a civilian airliner.

Other "whys?" soon emerged. Why did the Soviets first identify KAL007 as a military target? Why did KAL007 commence a climb to 35,000 ft. after the fighter jets warning shots? Why were no bodies ever found? What happened to them? It was known that one very right-wing conservative Congressman had been a passenger. But the Soviets claimed that no bodies were recovered. Equally the actions of both the USA and the Soviet Union immediately after the crash still need explanation. Without sufficient time even for a briefing on the crash, Reagan was on the airwaves calling it a "massacre" and a "crime against humanity." What did he know, how did he know it and when did he know it? Why, six hours after the crash, did the Korean authorities announce that the flight had landed safely on Sakhalin, as was quickly announced in print in The New York Times, thereby contradicting the President?

Almost all this is speculation. KAL007 remains one of the greatest mysteries of the Cold War. My South African Airways pilots were 100% convinced KAL007 had been rigged for a spying mission. They believed there could be no other possible reason. After the Russians released their files, it became more clear that there had definitely been a problem with the 747's onboard computer and how it had been set. Whatever the truth, it plunged the world into a level of tension not been seen since the Cuban missile crisis.

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Spurred on by a couple of questions from readers, I’ll add what little more I know/speculate about the mystery of KAL007. Even with files being opened up after the Cold War, it still remains the stuff of conspiracy theories with many many issues, most crucial, still unsolved. Here are just a few.

1. Prior to the downing of the 747, there had been five documented cases of incursion by non-Soviet aircraft into Soviet airspace since the first in 1952. Perhaps ironically the last of these incidents also involved Korean Airlines when a flight intruded into Soviet airspace above a restricted military area south of Murmansk. The Korean plane was shot down but was able to land with two just deaths. Surprisingly there was almost no adverse international reaction. Indeed, the president of South Korea thanked the Soviet Union for the speedy return of the surviving passengers and crew.

As a result, international norms suggested the prohibiting of shooting an intruding aircraft just because it was in one’s airspace. In other words, “exclusive sovereignty” was no excuse. But in November 1982, the Soviet Union enacted a law authorising the Soviet Air Defence Forces to use armed force “against violators of the USSR state border”, whether they threaten violence or not. The USA disagreed with this law claiming that mere suspicion about intent does not justify military action.

2. Why was the Anchorage VOR beacon (very high frequency omni-directional beacon) providing location information to aircraft and enabling it to keep on course out of action when KAL007 took off? This provides information for up to 200 miles distance. Such equipment requires annual maintenance. Allegedly it was being maintained on that night. Might that have been deliberate?

3. Why did the USA have its RC-135 Surveillance aircraft flying very near an off-course passenger airliner heading for Soviet airspace? At one point they were so close that their radio images merged for ten minutes.

4. Why did the captain of KAL007 radio Tokyo flight control centre “We have safely passed over southern Kamchatka. The plane is proceeding normally”?  The words “safely over” are deeply suspicious. This recording allegedly proves that the captain knew perfectly well he had flown over Soviet airspace.

5. US and subsequently Japanese air traffic controllers were responsible for the flight of KAL007. Why did neither group of controllers even once attempt to warn the plane that it was not just off course, but massively off course?

6.  Following the crash, the USA and Japan disclosed tape recordings of the radio transmissions of the Soviet fighter pilots. Thus both were perfectly well aware of KAL007’s perilous position. Yet again neither communicated any concern to the doomed plane.

7.  While denying that KAL007 was on a spying mission, the USA conceded that it had violated Soviet airspace.

8.  When the US Ambassador to the UN disputed the Soviet’s account, her presentation relied heavily on the recordings of radio conversations between the Soviet fighter pilots and their three ground control stations. These covered the last 30 minutes of KAL007’s flight. The Soviet Ambassador did not dispute these, although later Soviet commentators claimed they had been falsified. Yet despite this knowledge about the plane’s location, Ambassador Kirkpatrick never explained the lack of warning to the airline or its pilots.

9. The Report made public on 30 December 1983 by the technical experts of ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) came to the conclusion that the route deviation was a result of pilot error re an incorrect computer input after leaving Anchorage. Strangely, and controversially, it concluded that civilian air traffic controllers could not have known about its major deviation and that military authorities who might have detected the deviation were not responsible for it

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10. The last and most intriguing part of the mystery is that the world still does not know where the bodies and the remains of the aircraft are. Absolutely nothing was found. This is unlike any other aircraft lost over water – with the more recent exception of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370. The Soviets agreed that the location of the crash was Moneron Island. This is little more than 300 kms north of Hokkaido.  Japanese ships were reasonably quickly at the scene. How is it even remotely possible that not one tiny piece of debris, not one body nor even one body part has ever been found? It belies belief that the Soviets could have farmed up all the wreckage in such a short period of time. And the Soviets always denied they had recovered any bodies. Yet two months after the crash, their divers were able to locate the black boxes. They find the black boxes but not one tiny scrap of wreckage? Even a US Navy-led search of the area revealed absolutely nothing. True? Or deliberately false?

Relatives of the passengers and crew remained convinced for years that the only explanation is the aircraft must have landed intact somewhere on Soviet soil. Yet Soviet files opened years later revealed nothing. 

I agree with those South African pilots I met who believe KAL007 had to have been on a spying mission prompted by the US. But in the absence of so much detail, that can only be speculation. Curiouser and curiouser!

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