16 hours ago, spoon said:

If you already aim at one guy, yes. But if you want to screen through 10 guys on stage, itll be an expensive night having each of them sit with you for interviews.

I agree that sometimes it helps to ask mamasan if you have too many choices and you need to narrow down the number of choices.

@jason1975 Aren't you the kind who prefers to open a bottle of whiskey? I'm surprised you're not recommending such a strategy 🙃in order to invite (well, maybe not as many as 10) four or five guys over for a mass job interview....

@daydreamer Thanks for that link to the Dept of Transportation. That's progress!

Other sectors of commerce could do well to replicate that. I recall that 2 years ago when I was last in the US, I was shocked that the sticker price on retail items (I think Walgreens was where I first noticed it) did not include tax. It was only when my items were toted up at the cash register did tax get added and I was presented with a total bill noticeably higher than a simple aggregate of the prices I had seen on the stickers. As a foreigner, I was taken aback and had to ask why I was being charged differently. The sales clerk did not take well to my innocent question -- but that's a separate issue.

Not displaying a full price would be illegal in my country, and I think most other countries in Asia. Certainly we don't see this in Thai and Japanese stores.

My point is this: Because of this commercial practice, Americans are more tolerant of what I call unstated itsy-bitsy pricing than other nationalities. Tip expectations is one of those itsy-bitsy things. So in this thread, when people express a certain resistance to tipping for big cock groping or tipping in general, we have to understand the cultural-commercial background they're coming from.

14 minutes ago, macaroni21 said:

@jason1975 Aren't you the kind who prefers to open a bottle of whiskey? I'm surprised you're not recommending such a strategy 🙃in order to invite (well, maybe not as many as 10) four or five guys over for a mass job interview....

In the past, opening a bottle of whisky was a reasonable idea. 4000 baht to be with 3 or 4 guys and tip them 500 each for the night.

But as of last year onwards, the bars insist that I buy each guy a boy drink even though I order a bottle.

The only bar that doesn't do that is Jupiter but I don't fancy the guys there compared to those at Freshboy, Dreamboy and Good Boy.

On 10/19/2026 at 6:46 PM, MarkNY said:

What is a reasonable tip for the guys coming around at the end of the big cock show? All of them appear and while I want to tip them all, it becomes expensive giving everyone a 100 baht note, and more so if I visit two or three bars in a night. Some even come back a second time for another tip during the same walk around. It also seems unfair to the guy who sits with me for a drink who stays a while and I tip 100-200. Any advice?

Back to OP's question which started this topic. Here's my response.

Tip for big cock show guys 100 baht. Not necessary to tip every guy. Only those guys whom you wish to tip.

Not necessary to tip guys whom you invite to sit with you. You are already buying them a drink. But this is provided it is a short interaction probably 10 minutes. It's meant for both parties to introduce each other and talk about possible off. If no off forthcoming, the guy will go back on stage.

If you ask the guy to stay with you to watch the show with you, you should tip him either 100 or 200 baht because he will be with you more than 10 minutes. You should inform him in advance.

If you want to kiss and fondle, do be seated at one of the seats at the back or in the corner. You can tell him that you want to do that and you should tip more.

On 10/21/2026 at 9:29 AM, Londoner said:

With my departure for BKK only a few hours away, my packing complete and time to waste before my taxi arrives, I feel the need to be controversial, adding my own reactions to these shows. Or to the shows as they were a couple of decades back. I'm not decrying other members' preferences, merely announcing mine.

What I used to hate most was the parade around the spectators by two participants, conjoined and still active, spread-eagled across laps, expecting a tip. Not that I resented the tip, only that I found it acutely embarrassing and used to make a quick exit once it all started.

And the big cocks shows? Well, to be honest, they left me cold, figuratively speaking. I used to think that my lack of interest suggested some sort of psycho-sexual hang-up but then I saw, first at Adam's Apple and then later at Pattaya's X Boys, that there were other men in the audience who were also as visibly disinterested as me, or perhaps embarrassed.

But guys, go for it! If you like it, enjoy!

The best raunchy show I ever saw was at BKK's X Boys. A small cage was suspended above us and three very cute and very naughty guys danced to the go go music while slowly removing their jeans and T-shirts- very slowly indeed- until they were naked.

A couple of visits later, they'd gone, never to reappear. Cage and all.

I remember full sex on a sort of trapeze, energetic and erotic!

35 minutes ago, Keithambrose said:

I remember full sex on a sort of trapeze, energetic and erotic!

Ah, those were the days!

My regular in Bangkok prides himself on his fucking skills.

Unfortunately for me, most of those skills he learnt from watching the fucking shows in Soi Twilight. And he has learnt them well.

His favourite position is where he fucks me doggy-style with me lying on my stomach. He then turns 180 degrees, fucking me while facing in the opposite direction.

He then moves seamlessly through a whole series of those positions we've seen on stage, totally oblivious to the fact that I'm not an Olympic-class gymnast. I'm like rag doll, being tossed from one sided of the bed to the other, legs flailing in the air. 🤣🤣🤣

Thank God there isn't any trapeze equipment in the hotel room!

It reminds me of the Japanese infamous 'shijuuhatte' - the traditional 48 sexual positions.

I had them on playing cards. Pick a card and go for it.

I'm sure every gay guy in Japan has tried them, but few, if any, can do all of them.

But it's a lot of fun trying!

1 hour ago, Keithambrose said:

I remember full sex on a sort of trapeze, energetic and erotic!

Yeah, in that respect things have gotten a bit tamer now, I get the impression. Although there are still a few places where two guys fuck, start on stage but then go through the crowd past the guests to collect a tip while fucking on your lap. Does that count as a fuck-show too? Because if so, they still exist. FreshBoy did/does that, right? Now that I think about it, I believe that is the only bar in Bangkok where I’ve seen that in the past year. I would expect it at GoodBoy too, but I can’t remember that very well anymore.

8 minutes ago, emiel1981 said:

Yeah, in that respect things have gotten a bit tamer now, I get the impression. Although there are still a few places where two guys fuck, start on stage but then go through the crowd past the guests to collect a tip while fucking on your lap. Does that count as a fuck-show too? Because if so, they still exist. FreshBoy did/does that, right? Now that I think about it, I believe that is the only bar in Bangkok where I’ve seen that in the past year. I would expect it at GoodBoy too, but I can’t remember that very well anymore.

I'm not sure about Freshboys, not heard any members say that. I think there was a suggestion about Goodboys, if you wentvto the late late show, which I've not been to. @Vinapu mentioned Bigboys, as a recent possibility, but boys there not my type, though @vinapu said that bottom in show was twink! Maybe I'll find out in January!

32 minutes ago, a-447 said:

Ah, those were the days!

My regular in Bangkok prides himself on his fucking skills.

Unfortunately for me, most of those skills he learnt from watching the fucking shows in Soi Twilight. And he has learnt them well.

His favourite position is where he fucks me doggy-style with me lying on my stomach. He then turns 180 degrees, fucking me while facing in the opposite direction.

He then moves seamlessly through a whole series of those positions we've seen on stage, totally oblivious to the fact that I'm not an Olympic-class gymnast. I'm like rag doll, being tossed from one sided of the bed to the other, legs flailing in the air. 🤣🤣🤣

Thank God there isn't any trapeze equipment in the hotel room!

It reminds me of the Japanese infamous 'shijuuhatte' - the traditional 48 sexual positions.

I had them on playing cards. Pick a card and go for it.

I'm sure every gay guy in Japan has tried them, but few, if any, can do all of them.

But it's a lot of fun trying!

Gosh, what a description. I should consider becoming a bottom!

The cards we use when playing bridge seem rather tame by comparison!

33 minutes ago, emiel1981 said:

I would expect it at GoodBoy too, but I can’t remember that very well anymore.

If I recall correctly, the 'fuck shows' happened during the last show.

The stage lighting was dark and the guys did the deed under a transparent sheet of some sort.

I think it was simulated.

I don't think they moved among the crowd looking for tips.

39 minutes ago, Keithambrose said:

I should consider becoming a bottom!

I thought you already crossed that bridge....

1 hour ago, a-447 said:

I'm like a rag doll, being tossed from one sided of the bed to the other, legs flailing in the air. 🤣🤣🤣

Medieval rag doll, antique futon, Tokugawa sperm doormat - it's all the same to a bar-boy. 🤷

1 hour ago, floridarob said:

I thought you already crossed that bridge....

Still considering whether to make crossing!

7 minutes ago, Keithambrose said:

Still considering whether to make crossing!

Don't take too long - just look left, right and then left again...and let your eyes roll back.😏

2 hours ago, mauRICE said:

Don't take too long - just look left, right and then left again...and let your eyes roll back.😏

Only the eyes?

On 10/24/2026 at 12:00 AM, macaroni21 said:

@Primeone385 It is very helpful that you have stated what your references and experiences have been. Doing so helps us understand your questions better. As you must have guessed, there is something very different about how bars operate in Thailand compared to the US or Brazil (I'm not sure how comparing bars to garoto saunas will help).

A very specific kind of bar

Firstly, I should clarify that there are many different kinds of bars in Thailand, and an outsider like yourself may not realise that this thread is only about one very specific type of bar which regular punters (sorry Americans, it's a British word) visiting Thailand tend to call "gogo bars", but which in my opinion is also not a very helpful term. It can mislead people to think that these bars are similar to what are also known as gogo bars in other countries. Language is full of these traps, where a term used in one country can refer to quite a different thing in another country. Ask a New Zealander what time he takes "tea", for example. Or compare what is an elk in Northern Europe versus an elk in North America.

Essentially, what we're referring to here is a bar whose two main business objectives are to sell drinks (like all bars) but also to sell boys' services. I suspect you've guessed all that already by reading the forum. The boys don't appear on stage one at a time which would be more typical of American bars. Because the Thai gogo bars are in a business of selling off-site services (as opposed to only visual entertainment/stripper acts for patrons), the business imperative is to offer a wide enough range of boys for customers to choose from, the same way a restaurant has to offer a range of dishes for customers to choose. Therefore a typical, successful bar of this type has to have 20, 30 or 40 boys on hand -- very different from American bars where having ten strippers on duty is plenty. That being the case, it is inefficient in a Thai gogo bar to have just one boy on stage at a time. Some bars have 4, 5 or 6 at a time. Others have 10 to 15 boys on stage simultaneously. This practice of "mass offering" impacts the next point:

The Big Cock Parade

Secondly, Most of the evening, the boys are not nude. So the discussion in this thread is only about a short period of say 15 - 20 minutes when (a) they are nude and (b) they circulate among the audience. This is part of what the bar calls "showtime" which is the part of the evening when the lights dim and the boys standing on stage to be "sold" are replaced by a curated programme of performances -- of varying quality, mostly amateurish. The one part of the "show" that is not amateurish however is the part I call in my blog the Big Cock Parade. That's when a series of boys appear on stage with erect members (a state that is almost always maintained by tourniquets) and, well, parade around. They then come down to the audience and offer patrons a chance for a ten-second grope. The thing to remember is that the parade may consist of as many as 10 to 12 boys and, down among the audience, they tend to approach customers uninvited. Sure, you don't have to touch; you can wave them away for which there is no obligation to tip, but many customers do not like feeling pressured to accept the grope offer with its consequent obligation to tip. Tastes vary and some customers do not find the boys attractive at all so their thinking is: why should I be obliged to give money in such a scenario?

Moreover, even if there was just one or two boys among the 10 to 12 whose cock one would gladly fondle (and tip), you may find that others will notice that you're the tipping sort. They'd notice that you didn't wave away Boy A or Boy B, and next thing you know, Boys C D E F G H and so on will be standing in line waiting for their turn with you. Yes it has happened to me, I'm not making it up. How does one tell Boy C "go away"? Even if you did, it won't deter Boy D. He would still be thrusting his dick at you thinking that OK, this old grunt might not like C, but maybe he likes me.

Tastes vary

One of the most striking observations one can make by following this forum is how tastes among members here vary. Some love the sight and feel of an erect penis. The Dominican Republic section is a case in point. I've joked before that over in that part of GayGuides, everything is about dick; nobody seems to care what kind of body a dick is attached to. I find it particularly amusing simply because I don't have the same fascination; I am more into massage and the full-body experience. So, for someone like me, to have a parade of 11 boys coming at me offering gropes and expecting payment – many of whom have neither physique nor personality I care for – gives me neither pleasure nor value. As you can see from earlier comments in this thread, there are others who feel the same way.

Values vary

Thank you for explaining that you're American (by that, I assume you mean USA) because one thing I have noticed as I travel around the around is that Americans tend to have a harder time than most understanding other cultures, countries and their operating systems. I think it was @jimmie50 who also noticed this (he himself is American) and he once made a comment, something to the effect that the rest of the world does things one way and Americans do things a different way. My advice to Americans when they leave their home country whether physically or when they explore other countries virtually as @Primeone385 is doing here, is to unlearn everything you've learned as an American. Be extra-careful that many of the things you subconsciously take for granted don't apply outside the US.

Different values is one of those things people seldom realise because values are so invisible. Narrowing this to the question of monetary valuation, there are huge differences between how people from different countries put value on something. One observation that I often hear from my friends (from various countries) is that Americans tend to overpay for certain things without even realising it. Just to give a few top-of-mind examples: healthcare; public transport (if it even exists at all in your city). And sex. This is not to say that other countries don't have their own craziness; they do. Indians overpay for weddings. Japanese overpay for gift wrappings. Filipinos overdo the bring-gifts-back-after-you-travel-abroad thing. In Jamaica young men, even unemployed ones hanging around street corners, cannot afford to be caught dead in anything less than new $200 sports shoes -- when their climate is one where sandals will do just fine.

And then there is the tipping culture in the US, which, as have been mentioned several times over many threads and many years in this forum, is widely seen as madness by the rest of the world. Americans have become inured to the expectation and practice of throwing money at people when no value is returned, and the rest of world sees this as some kind of psychopathy.

... which brings me to another implicit assumption that we need to be aware of. I have noticed that Americans participating in this forum, especially newer members, tend to assume they're talking to other Americans who likely share their same value system. As I have often pointed out, this is not the case. In fact, we cannot even assume that members here are predominantly White folks from western countries. There are Asians here, particularly in the Asia threads. Consequently, many conversations here are predicated by different value systems.

What does a "price" mean?

Coming back to the issue of tipping for the chance to manhandle erect dicks, the question was why such a big deal about a 100 baht tip? To reduce that to "only USD3.00" takes the discussion off onto a track that does not lead to understanding. It's not the dollars, it's the principle of being obliged to tip in an unasked-for situation. This objection is heightened when people come from cultures without a tipping culture; they don't tip at restaurants, they don't tip taxi-drivers, etc. It's just not normal to tip when no significant additional value is returned. Mix in the context of an unasked-for situation, it gets worse.

Now, one may argue that the bar situation we're speaking about is one where value is returned. There is at least the overall entertainment value offered by the bar e.g. in putting up a show programme, and so one shouldn't begrudge the expectation of gratuities. But here again, we run up against value differences. In many countries, all-in pricing is normative. Having to pay extra is not. For example, in the US, my experience (correct me if the situation is now different and I am wrong) is that airline websites quote a price and then only at the point of payment do they add taxes, raising the final price. In many countries this would be illegal. The airline has to display the full price inclusive taxes right at the start. In such cultures, e.g. Thailand (but also most of Asia), customers go into gogo bars with a subliminal notion that the menu or verbally quoted price of the drink or whatever other add-ons would be inclusive of entertainment. The "justification" that extra gratuities are expected for the entertainment just seems very strange, in the same way that if extra gratuities are expected for a waiter to bring your ordered dish to your table, that would be weird too.

It's the same with the sex businesses in Japan. They quote an all-inclusive price and no one is expected to tip extra. Over on the Japanese threads you still see Americans asking how much should I tip? They've been acculturated to feel intolerably guilty if they didn't throw money at the boy. It's been internalised so deeply.

@macaroni21 1st let me state that I love your writing style. It made learning new things based of my question both enlightning and entertaining. Yes you are absolutley correct that I am an American. I would like to state that I am not the half of Americans that voted for that Orange baboon thats in office. So that there may context that I do indeed (even though from time to time ask dumb question) have a fully functional working brain. Also please explain the ELK in america vs Europe because if I look it up. IT will not be nearly as a good read. Also won't have the context either. But now that thats out the way. From things I have read here on the forums and in books and in other places. I could only assume sadly that it was the same style bar as it is in other places. Which now that I think of it was a terrible assumption. And as my 3rd grade teacher Mrs Richmond would say Look at the word assume and break it down in its parts theres U, Me, and a Ass Jesus rode in on on Palm Sunday. And when you make those assumption dear you become a beast of burden to others. LMAO she was a delightful fat lady that looked like Mrs. Claus. Aslo I would like to state that i have been wonderfully scared by public television other wise known as PBS and the BBC. Which the term BBC is usually a loaded word in this forum. But since we are not in the africa forum. It should be clear I mean British Broad Casting. Have watched many a show from Keeping up Appearances to Are You Being served . So some wonderful phrases I do know. However that still doesn't excuse my level of ignorance. For that if I offended you or anyone eles in the forum I do apologize. But the only way one learns is either by doing or asking. So thats why I ask. So that way I do not present myself and ruin wonderful spaces for anyone when I do eventually go other places. Because I do not want to be the reason any punter cant go some where. (plus please do remember to explain the ELk thing cause I am intrigued more than I should be). I agree with all your points once again I made the mistake of assuming " Why one would not want to pay". I never assumed that the dick connected to the person could be less desirable. Obviously my mind went with naked + dick + ass out = fun. But it is true sometime a pretty face plus body with a stank as fuck attitude ruins the experience. Second point there are some guys no matter the region will think " well he didn't want that guy but my dick is better " Which has happened to me in Rio. Which I politely tell them. I did not say no to him because of his dick. I said no because he would not take mine . Before these edibles take over completely. I also want to point out that the gratuity of what a 100 baht is in terms to how much a tip was more about these are working guys. Who expose there bodies to us for our enjoyment. So what is $3 dollars. But once again I made the assumption of being cheap ( you can see how this burdensome ) and not being considerate. But I whole heartedly agree that value should be given both ways as a means of exchange. I most certainly would not pay money for a bad meal. I definitely would not tip for it either. Also now when I go to either Thailand or the Philipines in 2028. As much as I try to find out about culture from friends , books, and Youtube. There is still so much to learn. Especially when ones intent is to enjoy a vacation, get there rocks off, and to be remembered well. You along with other great sages like @Novarunner @floridarob @Latbear4blk I would not have survived and such an enjoyable experience as I have had in Rio. Also for any spelling errors let me take the assumption out. I have had a shot of tequilla and a delicious gummy. It can only get worse from here. But also on another point my tour guide pointed out. That from his perspective that I like to take Uber Black alot. ( wow that sounds like a start to a dirty joke). I did not want to say well one my right knee makes getting in and out of smaller vehicles irritation. Also I not skinny and young. I am in my 40's and look accordingly to my age and height. Which is basically a long way of saying plump from the chest down. Thankfully I do not have cankles . But most americans fall into two categories tip or don't tip. I do not think anyone unless its a pissing contest. Wants to spend more for anything. But If I am being honest sometimes the convenience of paying is more about being left alone to enjoy than it is about wasting money. For example I would still take uber in rio and other countries because I get to talk to people. Which gives me the opportunity to learn and make friends. I would have teslas cybercabs for two reasons. 1 no one to talk to. 2 sometime a cute guy is willing to fool around. Which happened when a guy asked my how my night went and I said i didn't find a guy with a cute ass that can suck dick well. I then said if they looked as handsome as you. I would of spent some money. Which made for a nice 40 minute ride cause I got some head, some ass on a side street in Rio. Which is why I get uber black. But anyway I need to sleep and relax before work in the morning. I wish you all well and once again please explain the Elk thing.

On 10/25/2026 at 1:18 PM, mauRICE said:

Don't take too long - just look left, right and then left again...and let your eyes roll back.😏

Also worried about the trolls, remember The Three Billy Goats Gruff?