vinapu

As planned visited Magnolia when in Pattaya in November. Walked from Boyztown, all 21 minutes, did not bother with their free shuttle and gladly walked as it was my first time ever in PTY.
 
I found it easily although place is not posted on South Pattaya Rd.
 
Big rainbow flag at front is giveaway for location. Great , classy place  would be shining even in BKK as it can be compared with places like SENSO with much   lower prices. Used VIP room , exactly the same as on picture above. It's like hotel room as you can see with massage and regular bed for your world peace discussions  with boy.
 
I-pad type selection, good for those who don't like line-up.
Recommended Wow was not available so picked up next boy shown, Nam. Showered alone before, together after. Great , no rush massage, did not bother with special activities offer as decided to off boy long time for the night but this is another story .
 
After massage boss himself offered me to drop me back at hotel but opted for drop-off at Tukcom area instead so first class service through and through. I suspect if longer in Pattaya I would be daily customer / I big fan of massages and like them daily , preferably twice daily/
 
Recommended with whole heart and I  wish them well.

We will gratefully accept more details??  LOL

I think I prefer the high season, which I take to be Mid January to April. Christmas /New year is better described as Peak Season, and I have never been in Thailand at that time.
I like to avoid 4 weeks of the worst British weather in January/February and I used to do that in the years before I discovered Pattaya. I used to spend a few weeks in Playa del Ingles on the Island of Gran Canaria, with its gay beach and nightlife.
Ok hotels and air transport are more expensive than in low season. My air ticket for 15 January is £100 more and my hotel say 300 baht more per night. So for a 4 week stay I'm looking at maybe £268 or 15000 increase compared with my last visit in September.
Not a major factor for me. Of course the Uk Pound has recovered to 53 from 44 in Sept - a really welcome development.
I am a beach person and in low season there is a lot of rain so no beach for quite a few days.
I dislike going into a bar or gogo and finding nobody else there, which is more likely in low season,
I'm not really aware of any difference in what I pay to boys. And there is more of a selection in high season.
 
Anyway I will perhaps revise my opinion when I get to Pattaya. I anticipate filing a report !.

There are pluses and minuses.  The weather is the best in high season (so called)  No rain, lower temps and humidity.  So far this trip it has been really beautiful. Actually cool at night and I have turned on A/C very seldom.
 
It is crowded in Pattaya but BKK was not busy and not sure if that was the demonstrations or not.  I notice little difference in the availability of boys and even though I find Pattaya crowded, I do not notice a big difference in Gay Visitors.
 
If you come short time over Xmas and New Years in Pattaya then Hotels will cost you more . For a 1 month visitor there is no difference.  Bangkok I do not think there are any great changes in Hotel Prices.
 
I notice no big difference in airfares unless you wait too long and then of course you may have to pay more.  Planning ahead usually results in better prices in many things.

For New Year's Eve day and night I decided to relax and at the suggestion of the wonderful C17 staff decided to remain on site.
Had a nice leisurely breakfast and had a great conversation with a 50 year old already retired farang from the UK (yes I am jealous). He is preparing for his relocation to Thailand and he bought a condo in Pattaya that is still under construction and he hopes to move in later in 2014. Since I am also very interested in retiring in Thailand I seized the opportunity to ask my million questions - mainly, "why not retire in Chiang Mai?" (since he was raving about CM). He said he chose Pattaya because it is on the seaside and it is very oriented towards the ex-pat community. He felt that CM did not yet have the same level of ex-pat infrastructures and by him living in Pattaya he could easily fly over to Chiang Mai when he would want. I sensed that he had a preference for the CM guys over the Pattaya guys.
 
does anyone reading this who lives in Chiang Mai have any comments/opinions on what it is like for an ex-pat to live in CM?
 
Then I decided to lay out in the sun - the Club One Seven (C17) has a great penis shaped pool. There is the on site bar, pool boy, and massage boys, who could ask for more to have a relaxing day.
 
Then I took a massage with sexy 30 year old Kim. Massage was 90 minutes and I paid 800 to the house and I tipped Kim 1,000 baht. Of course there was the sensual happy ending but it was somewhat mechanical for my tastes and lacked some variety. Kim was obsessed on finding a farang to marry so that he could move to the USA or Europe. He said that the only good farangs are already in a relationship and taken and the rest are butterflies. To kill his conversation and where it was going I told Kim that I was a butterfly to avoid being asked to marry him.
 
Then I had lunch on the terrace on the Ping river which was lovely and I had some great conversations with the wait staff and other farangs. Then off for a nap in my room. Then for the evening I wandered over to the bar and chatted with the staff to see what I should do for New Years Eve. They said that I should remain at the hotel for the naked party. I had been invited back to the "2 Brothers" bar for their party and I had thought to go to the Adam's Apple go-go bar for their celebration. I decided to stay at C17 since I already had a lovely day with them and I had not yet sern their sauna facilities.
 
Disrobed and put on a towel to explore the facilities. I was surprised at how big they are. On the ground level, There is the locker area, showers, dry sauna and wet sauna where everyone was walking around with their towels on. Then up stairs, where you needed to remove your towel and shoes, was the naked zone. There is an inter-mix of cabins, hallways, open sex areas with beds, video porno sala, glass wall looking onto downstairs where you can see the new guests that are arriving and another dark room. Then there is another upstairs to a semi-closed area with a big bed, and a hallway with many cabins. We were about 30 guys of which 6 were falang. The guy from lunch had told me that the prior weeks naked party had 150 participants (speaking to the staff they told me that the exact count was 154). The space is very large and could easily accomodate 154 people spread out on 3 floors. For just 30 of us, the space was too large and in typical gay sauna fashion we walked kilometers in endless stand and model chases. I knew then that I had made a mistake for my New Years Eve choice. :<((
 
However, I did get to watch two hot Thai guys that wanted to show off fuck each other - but I was not allowed to touch them. That was pretty much the entire night - ok to look at the cute Thai boys but you could not touch them (except there were 2 that did touch me but they were not the type of Thai guys that I desired). So in the end, I was only able to play with another farang but after he came he ran away - so no orgasms for me.
 
I am not much of a sauna guy to begin with as I hate the endless chase as it is a waste of time. I guess I thought "this time would be different" - but it wasn't - so I was angry at myself for making a bad New Years choice. It made me remember when I moved to Italy in 1999 when I visited the various Italian saunas and I saw how badly the Asians were treated as they were not desired and made to feel not welcome. Now I know what that feeling is like, "as I felt like the Asian in the Italian sauna last night".
 
After going back to my room and sulking for a while I went outside on the balcony and saw an amazing sight for my sore eyes, the sky was full of kongming sky lanterns which illuminated the sky above the Ping river. They brought tears to my eyes and I was happy to be in "Amazing Thailand".

That's nice surprise, welcome back !
 
and Happy New Year in Thailand !

Now firecat can distribute best Underwear award to Cupidol without hesitation

DAY 7 – My two best friends will arrive in Bangkok today, so basically my afternoon and evening was spent around Silom. I went to have a Thai Massage at Chang and I was assigned to a young gay guy. I was paranoid at first, wondered if he could deliver a good massage. And he did, it was a strong massage. We chat a bit and he told me that he learned massages at a massage training school, and has a certificate. I fact, in order to work here, one must have a valid cert and also must massage the boss first, and get his approval. Bravo!!! I mean, I’m sure not all of the boys in Hero, Senso, Arena, etc etc have that kind of cert, hence the poor massage performance. But then again, to quote someone (I forgot who) “Thai men learn massages since in their mother’s womb” ha ha!! He also told me, that he will get only 80 baht per customer, and some customers did not even give tips. Poor them, the pay is very cheap. I remembered one boy in Jupiter, (it was in June 2013) who performed an unforgettable sexy Muay Thai show ( with Bon Jovi’s It’s My Life song). When I offed him, he told me Jupiter only paid him 100 baht to do that show.. ONLY 100 baht!!! Come on!! He was worth more than that.
 
Later back to my hotel, got to hang out with a straight aussie, we discussed a bit how the workers here were paid unfairly…..
 
Around 930 pm, my best friend L arrived and we went to Tawan since he has his favourite there. That night, there were many new faces, but none were stand outs. There was one guy who looked like Mekhin the Superman, but not as handsome.. D came sat next to me, while my friend was being lovey dovey with Mr P. I noticed about the old small tvs in Tawan, and told D that the boss should upgrade it to, at least a small lcd tv. He told me that the boss here is very stingy!!! Ha ha!!
 
I saw one guy that has this killer body, but as soon as he got on stage… urghh.. his face was not fresh looking….
 
Also, during the JO segment, none were willing to give tips.. that was awkward...
 
Mr D was trying his hard persuading me to take him, hugging and kissing and fondling me. I told him that if I want him, I will text him later tonight. As we were about to leave Tawan (and my friend L, with Mr P is his arm), D looked at me with his puppy dog eyes….
 
Around 12am, I texted D, told him that if he didn’t get any customers, I would love to have him tonight. Then my friend L, came to my room, told me about his reunion with P, and how he was treated like a queen!! His first night in Bangkok for this holiday, is already awesome!!
 
1 am, I received a text from, D. He was outside the hotel, waiting for me. I went down to pick him up and as we went back to my room, D was surprised that my friend L was there. Then I got a call from my other best friend, M, who had just arrived. I told him to come to my rom.
 
“oh.. another friend?” asked D..
 
“ehh.. why you look so different..?” L noticed a sudden change in D’s face.. as if he was terrified..
 
D stood behind me and kept hugging me tight.
 
“Don’t do that… you know that’s my weakness… not now, my friend is coming” but D sort of like didn’t want to let me go..
 
“are you scared..?” asked my friend L.
 
“ no.. no… “ D stuttered.
 
L suddenly let out a big laugh..
 
“you think we are going to have an orgy?? Don’t you..? you are scared!!, I will never forget that face!!  Ha ha ha” L teased D.
 
I wished I could see D’s ‘terrified” look, but he was behind me, hugging me, and not letting me go..
 
M came, and we queens hugged and laughed as if we haven’t seen each other for ages.
 
L was still teasing D. He told him that all 3 of us are going to rape him!!
 
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
 
I went back to D and hugged him, told him that my friend was joking. As I kicked my two best friends out of my room, I told D that I was disappointed with him of thinking that I would do such thing to him, or let alone, share him with my friends.
 
And that night, D showed his appreciation with a wild and raunchy sex. The best part of it, throughout the night, he kept hugging me tightly. That is one of the things I like most when with a guy.
 

 
Spent the entire night in his strong big arms… it was a moment to remember…..
 
DAY 7 EYE CANDY :
 

 

 

 

 
DAY 8
 
Early morning, heard a commotion outside the hotel. So the three of us went outside to see. It was the “mob”.
 
 
I was surprised that it was actually peaceful, unlike what has been portrayed in the news. I felt like as if it was a celebration.
 
Then we went shopping at Platinum. Had our favourite mango sticky rice at mango Tango.
 
6 pm. We went to Arena, since my friend really wanted to check out Mr N.
 
We got there, as usual, the boys were trying their best to win our attention. My friend M, picked Mr N. While L and I, chose to sit and wait for him.
 
This is one of the fun things we like to do in a massage place. We didn’t take any guys, instead, we wait and observe the boys (and the customers who come in).  I love to see which customers pick which boys, and sometimes, looking at the customers, I felt that the boys are lucky to have us.. ha ha ha!!
 
Oh I remember one time at Fan club. We did the same thing, and there was this one boy, whenever a customer comes in, he would act all butch, and when the customers got out, he went back to his sofa back to being girly girly… and he was KNITTING to pass the time!!!!  Oh yeah, also, I remembered looking at the gay fem boys in Fan club “harassing” the straight ones, slapping their ass and such. I noticed one guy didn’t like it.
 
Hee hee hee.. this why I like waiting for my friend, you could see what is happening behind the scene in a massage place!!
 
My friend M came down and kept raving about Mr N… glad he had a wonderful time.
 
DAY 8 EYE CANDY :
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who? The highest I ever paid was 1200 Baht per night, that was four years ago. Now I know better, haven't spent more than 800 per night in Bangkok, and regularly stay for 600 Baht per night in Pattaya.

I'm not sure what you paid the tuk tuk guy (I either missed that in this thread or the amount was stated in another thread) but paying a tuk tuk driver 50 baht to go anywhere up here is pretty much history.  To go anywhere at night, you'll likely pay 80-100 baht.  During the day, at least 60 baht.  I'd note that you'll do better flagging down a tuk tuk from the street versus using one that is parked out in front of several "controlled" pickup joints (like in front of both malls, Thaepae Gate, in front of Tesco on Nimmanhaemin, etc.).
 
But the red baht bus system is rather easy to use and cheap (20 baht) and you should give it a try.  Just flag one down (just stick out your arm - palm down - and they'll pull over unless they're full or more likely on a special trip for somebody).  Just go to the passenger window and tell the guy where you want to go.  If he says "okay" or nods "yes", get in and he'll get you there (although it's pretty much up to you to know when to get out). If he shakes his head "no", then he's not going there and you'll have to flag down the next baht bus and try again.  If you limit your location to a major tourist location [Wararot Market or "Kad Luang", any of the five gates, either mall in the city, etc.), 90% of the time they'll say okay.  During any fairly unbusy time, you can hire one of them to take you to a specific location not normally on their usual routes but they likely (but not always) will ask for more than 20 baht.  By the way, if the driver doesn't mention any price, it's 20 baht and they don't expect to be tipped.
 
If by chance you want to go to other far-out locations, one normally can go pretty much anywhere using one of baht busses of different colors (other than red).  If you want that info, say so and one of us will explain the color system to you and where to pick up those baht busses. 

Vinapu - it has been chilly in the evenings with the temperature dropping down to 11 or 12 degrees and you need a jacket or sweatshirt/jumper. During the day it reaches 26 with nice blue skies, so a t-shirt and shorts are just fine.
 
oops, I forgot to put one of the most important details in my report = PRICE. Prices are MUCH cheaper than BKK. The massage place wanted 1,200 baht for the 2 hours and the recommended tip was only 800 baht per guy for the 2 hours. In BKK it was often 1,500 per guy. I tipped them 1,000 each instead of the suggested 800.
 
Happy New Year to you!!
 
Trailrider - I knew I was ripped off - but my legs were tired that I was willing to pay any price to not walk another step. I see the songtau (red trucks) everywhere and I did not understand how they work.
 
do you just hail one down and tell them (or show them the desired destination on your smartphone map) where you desire to go? or do they follow a fixed route and you hope off when you are close enough?
 
thanks for the compliment.
cheers,
m.

Welcome to the forum, don't be shy and tell us about your Thailand's impressions.
 
When crossing streets in Pattaya is good idea to pay an attention to incoming traffic , not to bulges passerby boys are hiding in their jeans .

Flew Bangkok Airways from BKK to CNG Chiang Mai. Flight was delayed 30 minutes due to late arrival of aircraft. Flight is short and pleasant, about 55 minutes. Fun began at the Chiang Mai airport - luggage quickly arrived but there were NO taxis and there was a huge number of people waiting for the limited number of taxis. After about a 50 minute wait, I was in a taxi and within 15 minutes I was at my hotel, Club One Seven - C17.
 
http://www.clubonesevenchiangmai.com/
 
Hotel check-in was quick and easy - they only have 11 rooms. The guy brought me to my room but this being an antique 130 year old Lana Teak House you need to remove your shoes and I leaned on the side railing of the stairs to leverage myself and I immediately broke one of the wooden teak slats with my fat ass. How embarassing and what an awful way to begin my 6 day stay. I guess I need to continue dieting - the last time that I checked I was down to 78kg. But in typical great Thai "save face" style the manager said to me, "mister, it ok, house is very old".
 
I have a nice room that overlooks the Ping river with a small outdoor terrace. The room has a large 4 poster bed. You feel as if you are staying in the country side. Breakfast is served outside in the terrace alongside the river. Prior to 5pm you feel that you are in an antique gay hotel but after 5pm the place starts to transform as the sauna activities start to pick up and all of a sudden we have many new cute Thai "guests". I have not yet tried the sauna yet - sorry guys - there hasn't been any free time yet with all there is to do in Chiang Mai.
 
Unpacked my luggage and headed off to the "old walled city with a moat" which was about an hours walk away as the C17 is pretty far away from both the historic centre and popular Chang Phuak gay zone. I arrived on Sunday so that I could take advantage of the 1 time per week Sunday Walking Market. I think that this is the biggest open air market that I have seen in my life. It was packed with people just walking around enjoying the many concerts, handcraft shopping, art, performers, religious ceremonies, and incredible "food courts" that were set up in each of the grounds of the 3 or 4 Wats (Buddhist Temples) that I visited. I ate wonderful things that I have never eaten before. It was truly delightful to have seen this event for the several hours that I was able to. If you do visit Chiang Mai try to make sure that your visit includes a Sunday evening on the "Walking Street". I was so exhausted afterwards that I took the first tuk-tuk that I could find and payed the asking price of 200 bahts back to the hotel. Sauna already closed so I did not encounter any action (I would have been too tired anyway).
 
Next day after the wonderful breakfast I headed off by foot to discover the Nimmanhaeminda and Chang Phuak gay zone. It took about a 2 hour leisurely walk to get there and it was nice to see the contrasts in the various Chiang Mai neighborhoods. The gay zone is in a nice newer part of Chiang Mai with nice shops, bars, and stores, with many new condo buidings being constructed. I had hoped to have lunch in one of the gay restaurants but it being both a monday and also a government holiday (making it a 5 day weekend) the ones I had hoped to go to were closed for lunch. So walking back towards the centre I ate lunch in the big mall (Kad Suan) on the Huay Kaew Road - it was full of falangs which I found interesting.
 
Again exhausted, I took the first tuk-tuk from the mall to the "2 Brothers" massage place which is in the cool hippy backpacking hangout area of Chiang Mai which is near the main gate to the old city. To no surprise I chose the 4 hand 2 hour massage from 26 year old O (โอ) and 24 year old Aok (โอ๊ค). Showered alone and awaited their arrival in the small room with a low futon bed. Their massage was an excellent intense deep tissue massage for over 1.5 hours which is what I needed after all of the 2 days of walking. The "happy ending" was in the remaining 30 minutes and was less intense but ok. Then we showered together which was a lot of fun.
 
Afterwards, I told them that I wanted to buy them a drink in the downstairs bar and we hung out for about an hour together before they were taken by new arriving customers. It was great because I got to see how the other massage guys are chosen by the other customers. I realized that my choosing style is very polite and shy like while I saw other customers reject and then re-select the same guys that they already chose. Maybe it was a power thing. I tried to get the various massage boys to help me find a gay tour guide as I want to go out of Chiang Mai to see the mountains, jungle, elephants, and possibly the famous white Wat in Chiang Rai. With their limited English we did not get very far - but it looks like we are close to finding a gay guide who can drive and speak English.
 
http://www.2bmassage.com/
 
Wanted to take a short nap and either try out the sauna or head over to the Adams Apple go-go bar but my body slept until 23 - so I could not try either - so I wrote this trip update. Tomorrow is New Year's Eve and they are having a party here - so I will check it out...
 
hopefully my report was not too boring. This portion of my trip will be more cultural as Chiang Mai does not have a Twilight zone like in Bangkok.

It's a question of convenience, space and time.
 
In bars, you should be able to find a boy you like within short time and take him home.
 
If you are looking for non-paid encounters, you can spend hours searching gayromeo, spending time in shopping malls (I have never met a boy in a shopping mall, I know this only from others' tales), discos, saunas, and still go home alone.
 
I live in Bkk and have about 50% encounters for free and 50% paid (but not from Soi Twilight - far too expensive).
 
But if you are good looking and in shape, you should try your luck. With outrageouse prices in tourist areas, it is worth looking for non-paid encounters.
 
I wouldn't say "locals who are looking for real romance", I would say "looking for sex".

Rickinoc, you are very welcome here.
Hands down , hottest first post by a newbie ever.
Great writing style.

from the cold to bangkok I find I can only stay maximum 2-3 days there
before the lure of the warm sun and beach towns.
the add the cheaper costs at night in Pattaya with less traffic...
 
make certain you have plenty of vacation time to adjust (jet lag, etc.) and have fun.
my first trip there was three weeks and crying at the end because I
didn't want to leave. 
 
I like a day or two to decompress when you do come back home before returning to work.
expect to want to return soon as possible.

My last night in Bangkok
 
Checked out the Uniman massage place and thanks to Vinapu‘s great directions from his November trip report of the BKK massage places, I was able to find it very quickly in the Korean Town building on the 4th floor. Upon walking in the guys lined up right away for the selection process. There were about 20 guys available. They are very different than the other massage places that I have gone to - they are on the rough side with that hot “working man“ look. They were older guys in the 28 to 37 year old range with a nice selection of body types. The man called Pu (age 36) got my immediate attention with his beautiful rough smile and nice muscled naked torso. This time I did not want to divide my attention ordering my typical 4 hand 2 hour massage. Instead, I took a 2 hand 2 hour massage. We went up to the room and as written in other posts about Uniman - the roomss have seen better days - it has that 1970s look as well as the shower - but it all worked well together as the guy was rough and so was the room. Pu gave me an EXCELLLENT massage - it was very strong and he found ALL of my muscle knots and worked them out right away. The massage was so good that I fell asleep - something that I NEVER do. The final part, the “happy ending“ was good and rough guy like - as if we were 2 car mechanic friends who decided to jerk off together. So, I give Uniman a “thumbs up“ even if it is in need of a home decor make over.
 
Had dinner at Dick‘s Cafe and watched the electric scene out on the Twilight soi. After my great dinner (it was 10:45pm) I asked the waiter which go-go bar would he recommend for my last night having already been to Classic Boys, Dream Boys, Bangkok Boys, Zeus, and Tawan. He said, you MUST go to Jupiter 2002. So off to Jupiter I went and it was standing room only when I entered. It was SUPER packed and there were HOT guys already on the stage in the middle of their show. Prior to this moment, Dream Boys had been my favorite go-go bar - but rapidly Jupiter became my new favorite. Why? The show is less sleazy (there is no fuck show) and there is less dick in your face. But, instead they use a "hide and seek" approach, which is very stimulating and erotic. For example they have some sexy hot guys dancing on the stage with towels being moved in such a way that you get a 2 second glance at their enormous hard cocks and sexy ass muscles. In addition there was a hot shower soap seen in a shower with transparent glass where the boys put a lot of soap on the glass to create that “yes I can - no I can't see that hard cock“ effect. Many years ago, we had a similar shower show at the famous Muccassassina disco bar in Rome. So, I would say that Jupiter is a go-go bar with class that tries to stimulate you in an erotic way.
 
In addition, the individual show scenes are short and intense and fun. In between the 2 shows the boy fill the stage, there must have been about 30 of them on the stage, to strut their stuff hoping to be picked. The Jupiter customers last night were about 85% Asian with at least 1/2 under the age of 40. The remaining balance were us falangs. I did not see any women there. What I found shocking was that I had to compete for the guys on the stage with a very young guy from China - he must have been about 28 and offed the guy that I wanted who was about 30 before I could make my first move. This totally surprised me - as in all of the other go-go bars it is usually the older guys offing the younger guys and not the other way around as I saw in Jupiter.
 
So for my second choice I immediately set my eyes on number 5, called Jon - a nice 26 year old with a very cute smile and beautiful teeth. I rapidly asked the waiter to have him sit with me (before another young Asian beat me to it) and we chatted and we agreed that he would come back to the Babylon with me. He has a car, Jon is from Bangkok and he drove me back to the Babylon. He told me that he is 1 of 5 kids in his family and that no one knows about his secret life. We had a great time in bed even if I had to do more than him - I could tell that this guy did not have much experience in bed with men and he is most likely taken to be idolized. But more than idolize him I serviced him so well that he said, "Wow, it was so good". He finished me off and we both showered and then I paid him the standard 2,000 (no taxi money required as he has his own car). Unfortunately I don‘t remember the off bar fee but I think it was 600. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 
Ok, I am leaving Bangkok a very happy and satisfied man - even if I was not able to realize my dream of meeting Noom the character from the bangkokbois blog, “I fell in love with a bar boy“ series. Hopefully I can meet Noom on another trip back to LOS.
 
Now waiting for my plane to Chiang Mai. I will terminate this travel report as its focus was on BKK and I will start a new one for Chiang Mai.

First if Sex is one of your main reasons then forget Phuket and go to Pattaya.  The Bars are loaded with your type.  The beaches are nowhere near as nice and if you were spending more time , I would say add Phuket and Pattaya. Pattaya is just 2 hours or less from Bangkok by Car vs need to get to airport 90 minutes before flight and then taking hour flight and then at least an hour into Phuket and then the revrese on your return. Lot of dead time spent on a short trip where the focus is Sex.
 
You will love Bangkok for massages and there are many recent posts by members outlining the Massage Spas available.
 
In BKK you can try your luck at Babylon Sauna  and smile a lot when you are out walking especially in the Malls. You never know what will happen.  Same thing on Soi 4 in Bangkok you may get a free pick up.  But in Thailand if you don't find a willing partnet then do not hesitate to go to the GoGo Bars , Discos and Massage parlors where you will find many willing partners.
 
Pattaya is a city built on Sex and the mentality is to pay for it.  I would not anticipate free hook ups to be as possible there as Bangkok.
 
Feel free to post a profile on GayRomeo with location both Bangkok and Pattaya.  Put more then 1 photo and state no moneyboys if that is your wish. In Bangkok you may find boys attracted to you. Keep in mind Bangkok is a big city and it is important to know where you are staying so the Boy will know how far he has to come.
 
This is not as important in Pattaya where you are probaly never more then 15 minutes from the boy.  Harder to find a free hook up in Pattaya then Bangkok and may not be worth the effort on a short visit.
 
Keep the questions coming!

As for culture in Pattaya it is all about Sex and Sleeze, at least for a short time visitor.

Interesting how jaded we have all become about money boys.  There is in fact free sex available and depends on your looks.. Babylon is not my cup of the but I have had friends in their 30's and good shape go there and have a blast all for free.  
 
I have also had friends hook up in Siam Paragon with boys who had more money then they did (or at least their families did) hehe.  No money expected and in fact Thai's paid for most things. So it can happen. It's not going to happen to me because I am in my 60's and heavy so paid encounters are the easiest way to go.
 
I have even had friends in their 40's with style meet boys in the Major Malls and bring them home.  Maybe taxi fare was given but no more.
 
Sure it is much more likely to happen in Bangkok then Pattaya and there are no guarantees where as you know you can buy company at many different venues.
 
For the first timer I agree be prepared to pay but if you are somewhat good looking and dress well be aware of chances to meet non money boys.  It happens and if it does not then your wallet will get you anything you desire.

Aqua (its full name-also on the walls was Aqua-Pan) was owned by a Danish man (you used to get a danish chocolate when paying at the end) also ran a sauna for many years-this has closed a few years ago. There were many signs in danish inside.
It seemed to be a kind of side-affair to a furniture place beside.
It had about a full collection-several cub.mtrs, of about any Thai gay mag that was prinetd since 1980 or so-I guess most were as proofs of them advertising. Shopuld be very valueable to some kind of Thai gay history-movement.
I guess the land in that area is really very pricey even for BKks standards.
ALBURY is also reported as closed since about 1/11. Got few visitors since it moved away from the old palce in the fork of Sukh.11 to the new place to far out in soi 24.
Same woner also runs JEY in Sukh. 41, near end of (short )soi.

Hey there newbie!!!
 
In my honest opinion.. i don't think free sex with a Thai exists at all... you will be spending your money on him, in any forms..
 
As for me, going to massages and gogo is a lot more fun, there are duds here and there, but it is something worth exploring...
 
And believe me, Bangkok has this kind of spell on you... you will be coming back for more!!!

DAY 6
 
Woke up in the afternoon and got ready to find the infamous “Penis Shrine” that I read so much in the internet.  Actually, it was not that hard to find.
 

 
Then, the first time I used the skywalk, connecting all the big Malls in Bangkok, Gaysorn, Central World and Paragon. I was a nice walk, very convenient.
 
Stopped at Mont Blanc in Siam Center and had my first delicious Honey Toast…!!
 

 
Got back to my hotel, got to know an Indian flamboyant gay from Bombay. He told me that he never had a good experience in any of the massages in Bangkok. He kept complaining that Thais are racists, especially towards Indians. I don’t know about that, but this guy does have some bad attitude, controlling, demanding, bitchy and over the top. Maybe that his attitude that turned off some of the guys in the massage places that he went. Who knows??
 
Anyway, 6 pm I went to another massage near to my hotel. Arena. Last time I went there was in August, and it was around 9.30 pm. There were only 4 boys at that time, and none were up to my liking. Since Vinapu gave another rave review for that place. I’m going to give it another try.
 
There were two boys outside and opened the door for me. As I entered, the boys all lined up and started to flirt with me. There was one boy who kept raising his hand at me, another one called me and asked me to turn around and look to the right side, where he was standing. Oh boy..  these guys were really trying to win my attention. Again, in my honest opinion, the boys were not as stunning as the ones in Hero or Senso. My eyes caught one cute guy with a great body, however, he was looking away all the time, showing no interest at all. Hah.. his lost!!
 
Suddenly, my eyes turned to this one guy. He didn’t smile, he just stared at me and slowly took off his jacket to reveal his gorgeous body.. and BOOMM!!! Lightning strike and I found myself dripping wet salivating over him!!!
 
“Mr N.. he is very famous here.. you want??” asked the mamasan.
 
Do I need to answer that? Can’t you see my crazy eyes and my tongue sticking out, and the slight bulge in my pants!!! OF COURSE I WANT HIM!! I WANT NOWWWW!!!!
 
Ha ha ha ha ha!!
 
So Mr N took me to the room. It was big and spacious with two massage tables.. ehhhh… two??
 
Anyway, I showered alone and got ready.
 
Mr N, is not the chatty type, he doesn’t like to smile at all… he has this sour looking face.. but that’s ok.. that looks is really good on him. Ha ha!!
 
Then came the massage. He started with the usual stuff, then, as  he was massaging my back with his two strong arms. I could feel his cock was hard and started to play around my arse.
 
And slowly, it started to like, as if trying to penetrate it. It felt as if it was knocking on my back door, asking permission to enter. Ha ha!! The tease made it felt so good, I felt more horny than before. Slowly and slowly I felt the tip of his cock inside me. It felt wonderful, but it also made me scared.  So I asked him to put on the condom. He did, but soon after that, he straight away fucked me!! No no no… I don’t want that.. not just yet… I want him to continue doing that cock tease up my ass with a condom… Urghh!!! God I wish I could speak Thai!!!
 
Anyway, the fucking was wonderful.  We showered together. Had a great time with him. I told him to smile, and he grinned a little. Ha ha!!
 
Got down, and felt so wonderful. Told the mamasan that I will come back and hopefully Mr N will be here.
 
So my rating for the boy:
 
Looks : 4.7 / 5
Massage : 5/5
Extra service : 5 / 5
 
 
It was a perfect night for me… I stood outside Silom Plaza, enjoying my moment, with the cool breeze and the unforgettable time I had just now…. I wanted that moment to never go away.
 
Suddenly a guy in his bike greeted me. Asked me where I was from and why was I standing alone. He thought that I was lost. Yeah.. I was lost.. lost in the moment of pleasure and excitement!! Hu hu hu!
 
I walked back to the main Silom streets, feeling as if walking on air. Suddenly, I heard someone called out my name, as I turned a round, I was greeted with a nice smile. I was Mr D from Tawan, and he looked damn gorgous in his simple street clothes.
 
He told me he was supposed to meet a guy but he didn’t turn up. We walked together to my hotel (and he, on his way back to Tawan), and he asked me if he can join me tonight, I politely said that I just had a massage, and too tired to be “entertained” by him. He understood and gave me a hug.
 
I was in my room still feeling on cloud 9. It was 10pm… and the night was still early. So I decided to check one of the gogo bars that I have not yet stepped my foot in.
 
I chose X-Boys, and as I got in… my mind went “what the hell is this!!!” 6 femme boys!! Totally not my type!! There were only 3 customers (including myself). After few minutes there, I decided to haul ass!!!
 
Since it was still early, I decided to visit my favourite gogo bar.. JUPITER!!
 
As I got in.. I was surprised to see many boys were not on the stage, but in their street clothes, hanging out in the bar. The ones on the stage were the slightly gay ones, and very not attractive boys. I was really disappointed. One boy whom I took last august greeted me, I asked him if he remembered me, he said no. Whatttt???? I pulled out my phone and showed him the photos of us together. He smiled and pretended as if he remembered now…
 
He sat together and he asked if he can go back with me.. nahhh.. not tonight.. maybe next time, I’ll give him a call…
 
Then he asked for some money, said that he wanted to eat, bla bla bla…
 
I pretended that I didn’t hear him and focusing on “Whitney Houston” belting out I Have Nothing on the stage!
 
He left and told me to give me a call tomorrow…
 
There weren’t many customers at all in Jupiter, and the show was lame. Many grade A boys were in their street clothes?  What gives??
 
Maybe this is how gogo bars looks in normal night. The boys know that there won’t be any customers, so why bother waste their time prancing in their undies on the stage…
 
I got out early, this was not the Jupiter that u remembered…
 
I got back to my hotel around 1115pm. Though the night was still young… let’s just call it a day… I already had a wonderful wonderful time at Arena… that’s enough for today….
 
Eye Candy for day 6..
 

 

 

Excellent points from firecat.
If you like saunas then no money involved. At 40, you will find older farangs hitting on you, some as old as grandpa.
If same age men are your thing, not many money boys still in the game at 40.
First time a learning experience and everyone makes mistakes.
Many of us keep repeating the same mistakes and most of us have few regrets and keep coming back for more.
Most dangerous is the broken heart syndrome.

Lot of the answers to your questions revolve around your lifestyle.  Do you sleep late and party all night. Are you up during the day. Do you like massages  frequently, seldom or never?
 
Your description of yourself is not enough to answer about possibility of free sex.   What is your home country and do you regularly have 18-25 year  olds interested in you for hook ups. Your statement about never considered paying for it is open to interpretation.  Is that because you hook up with men of similar age or are you able to attract young ones. What kind of boys in Thailand will you be most attracted to as far as age , body style, mannerisms etc.
 
Also what will be the length of your stay and in each city how long.
 
There are members with a wealth of information here but we need more details to give you the best answers.