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I would say the club is very new, probably built in the last few months. In the attached photo the building does not look huge but it seemed bigger than Tam Nan inside and has an industrial look about it. Tum Nan is a favourite of mine but the air conditioning works better in the new club and the boys and everyone else there had a great time, hugging and kissing their friends and dancing like there was no tomorrow. The boys said that after the last morlum concert the new club was totally packed out. I am sure you and your friends will enjoy the club and the location is so very convenient.
I asked one of my Thai friends and they said the sign in the third attached photo translates to "South Pattaya Third Road Esan Music Morlum"
I believe the Morlum concerts at Jomtiem are held on Thep Prasit road up near the market area but i have never been to those concerts.
Great update with pics aussie! It's now gone from 'to be checked out on Feb trip' to 'FIRST late-night stop on Feb trip!' That's certainly a decent sized place and it's location....perfect! Years ago when I first started Pattaya visits I remember an Issan place called 'Chem'-Issan always sounded like 'semizan' I think around that area, or anyway not that far from the Pattayaland Sois back then which also had those tables with the central food bbq unit. Boys loved it there...food, booze and music!
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Recently i attended the new Isaan club located on third road near the Sophon market. If you live at My View condo on Soi 17 you probably can hear it from your room. The signage is all in Thai script so i asked about the name of the club and was told "Superstar Esan" and another translation was "Artists of the east".
Thanks for the alert aussie_ I'm always on the lookout for Issan/Live music places, especially closer to TukCom area, but never heard of this place. How 'new' do you know/think it is? I chat to many of the lads about clubs/Isaan style venues and no mention of it on my last visit Sept/oct. I often ask and am told about the open air Morlam shows on 3rd road, and I wonder if it's been mentioned but I've just assumed it's the large open-air Issan shows they're referring to.
Is it about the same size and lay-out of Tam Nan Issan? I'll certainly be checking out on next trip in February that's for sure. While they are great places to go/fun with a crowd, I am happy to go only with bf or take one of the lads I know from a sunee bar if I fancy a change from club/discos/Walking St clubs and bf not up for it.
'Smiles' over at SGT forum mentioned some time ago there was an Issan music venue actually in Jomtien somwhere, but I never stay long enough in Jomtien Complex to venture out of the complex to try find it.
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I remember spotting a very cute boy at the beer bar opposite the entrance of Screwboy last year, but then he was gone (I would have had a drink there to chat him up).
My experiences with Screwboys entirely positive, the only negative is some days low number of boys (<10, and that can be between 8 and 9 pm which means their boys have not been offed already, there are that little boys today). Last visit they had two cute twinks which I assume were Vietnamese, so not for me (negative experience with other Vietnamese, confirmed by chat with friends).
The guy I referred to has been there at least a year as he has served/chatted with me on at least my last 3 trips which would be since start of year. He normally works behind the bar, but there is usually another guy who sits around at one of the two tables or on a bar stool as well, but not sure if he is an employee.
The guy who serves did ask about my plans for the evening, always does and what I do later, I assume DJ-GOD time, but have never taken it any further. He is a very polite lad. Always quick to make sure you have bowl of nuts/snacks and likes to top up your glass from your beer bottle for you.
I didn't ask where the twinks I saw in Screw Boys came from, but from looks alone I would guess 3 definitely Viet, one definitely Thai as he was the one who followed me into the toilet, the other two I liked the look of I couldn't be sure, normally I would assumed Thai but i'm used to seeing so many camob/viet/laos/thai sometimes not easily to tell apart until they speak. One of the 3 I assumed Viet was the one I tipped Bt100 who caught hold of me at the door on way out and asked for name and phone number, he used broken English.
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Screwboys is one of the Bangkok bars I do visit, but I've never seen a range of twinks to rival what Classic Boys used to have at it's best. Maybe one or two. Which is still enough to merit a visit.
Obviously Christian visits this bar more frequently, so is a more reliable source of information.
Fresh Boys, or whatever the last bar on the right is called is my "alternative" twink bar.
No, I didn't see a range of twinks at Screw Boys that could rival Classic at it's 'best' either, and didn't claim it to be. Classic's best for me was a decade ago, but in my view on the night I visited they did have a range to rival Classic of five years ago.
Granted it was a Saturday night and reasonably early so maybe a fuller contingent than usual but i'm not sure why you would question the reliability of the report of my visit, I tend neither to lie or exaggerate reports, I report what I see first hand and on the night I visited there were at least 6 I would describe as Classic standard, not merely one or two.
However I've been to Fresh Boys too and on those visits did not find it an alternative to the type of boys on offer at Classic 5 years+ ago or indeed rival what I saw on my visit to Screw Boys a few days ago, so maybe we have slightly differing opinions of twink or what we considered twinks at Classic.
More likely different experiences different nights.....
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Sam's membership on Sawadtee Gay may be a new record for the fastest member ever to be banned on S.G.T. He went ballistic at almost everyone on that board, really sad.
Why the sensationalist, false fake news headline? In fact it's a blatant lie. He has not been banned, so why did you say he had? Sure he went 'ballistic' at a few members, certainly not the exaggerated 'almost everyone on that board' claim. Just be honest and post the facts.
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Most recent trip I went as usual up to Patpong soi 2 beer bar opposite the entrance to Screw Boys where i usually start my evening's trail with a nice cool Leo, I sit here every trip because the barman is a nice cute chatty lad. Then I usually just head to Soi Twilight. For some reason I decided to pay Screw Boys a visit for the first time in years. Bt300 per drink, reasonable compared to Twilight. Two mamasans were the usual irritating types but less so than the Classic Gogo leaches/beggers, and the other Katoey waiter/mamasan was polite even, and unobtrusive. So all plus points compared to Classic already.
There was one katoey mamasan who could easily have passed as a Classic Boy one. A poor Chinese lad looking no more than 20 but probably more so was shyly playing with his smartphone and occasionally glancing up to stage. He did pluck up the courage to call down one of the more masculine lads and was taken aback to find a mamasan demanding he 'buy boy a drink' he didn't but the gogo boy hung in there hoping for an off which didn't come. The Chinese lad got up to leave seemingly forgetting there was a bill to pay, katoey mamas an was over in a flash..you PAY! bt300! and drink for me Bt300! and tip for me! YES YOU PAY TIP FOR MEEE! very loudly, the customer slightly enraged now simply dumped the Bt300 and barged past the mamasan, of course who just 'laughed it off' not realising the damage that behaviour can do.
A quick look at the stage and I could have been transported 5 years back to Classic Boys itself, with a great line-up of twinky very cute boys. 12-15 lads on quickish rotation, with half a dozen I would easily have offed if single. Plenty smiles from the stage. The male toilets here are at the rear near the stage and I just got in to find one of the smiley boys in right behind me. Chat about not having to buy him a drink just pay off and go if I liked, and fine when politely turned down.
No begging for extra tips on the check bin, another plus compared to Classic Boys, and on my way out tipped of the cute lads who was making eye contact and smiling Bt100, as I was heading out the door he jumped from the stage caught hold of me (gently) and asked for name and mobile, this was surprisingly in front of everyone, but I just smiled at left. But good experience all round. It'll be a definite drop in on next trip.
If you like the 'old' Classic Boys style of lad you'll like Screw Boys. Cheaper and less hassle as well!
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Visited here a week or so ago, previous trip in June was Bt250 entrance 1st drink fee, this night (Saturday) it was Bt280, and they had carefully positioned a large see-through plastic tip box right next to the till at the entrance where you buy your drink ticket in advance so you can pop your Bt20 change from Bt300 right into it to save you the bother of having to pocket it. How thoughtful.
But as I said on a trip report I made over at SGT, I just don't 'get' the concept of this place as a GoGo bar. It is a Fashion Show Catwalk masquerading as a Gogo bar with available boys. Most of the boys on the night I was there were not even shirtless never mind in briefs god forbid! Most were fully clothed in combat style fatigues in various styles as if promoting fashion rather than trying to attract customers. The only thing brief about the whole 'show' was the amount of time each individual spent on stage. Most only looked forward with no expression exactly as on a Catwalk. I saw NO interaction from the boys on stage with any audience members during the time I enjoyed my drink there, not even smiles around the audience...odd, strange, surreal experience.
But I certainly enjoyed my short stay all the same just to catch up on the happenings around the gay Soi's and worth the time for the reasonable drink price as well as use of the nice restrooms on the upper level, which I was used to as I visited it's previous incarnation, Forfun numerous nights over the years it was open. Subsequent drinks from the menu were also very reasonable compared to Soi Twilight GoGos.
Packed with at a guess 99% Asians Chinese/Korean/Thai etc... only myself and another white face as far as I could see. In the time I was there I saw very few boys being taken down from the stage for drinks/offs. But Asians seem to love this place and it was doing great business with waiters rushed off their feet.
I don't visit GoGos nowadays to off boys as I'm hitched, but even if I were single none of the boy types available were my type, no twinks but some quite handsome lads on stage. I will return next trip as usual and hope it is still going as strong and maybe, just maybe the Soi Twilight Agogos might take note and re-think their entrance/1st drink fees.
The reason I add this, is because on the very same night I was over on Soi Twilight to find it very quiet for a Saturday night indeed. I sat at Old Solid bar beer next to Dicks and during the time we were there saw not a single customer enter X-size directly across or Classic at the end of the soi in clear view. Even glances up the soi in the other direction I saw few customers enter Dream Boys. The host bars on Soi Twilight were light with customers whereas over on Soi 4 a waiter friend at Balcony had to drag a table and two chairs together next to Jupiter just to get a seat as the main terrace was full as was the balcony terrace next to Telephone. Quite a contrast. But the real difference was the customers on Soi 4 were spending, waiters at both establishments rushed off their feet, beer towers, cocktails all manner of shots as well as plenty of takers for food, it was doing great business. Even Connections where we also sat for a drink was busy as was the Katoey show bar next door, can't remember name.
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if you don't mind I'd like to add you to a lists of posts/ posters I rudely suggested to shut up on a previous page
You do realise that by continually referring to it yourself, and therefore having the very 'thing' you want kept quiet bumped, renders your 'shut up about it' plea at the very least 'unhelpful' to whatever your cause is.
You have not yet advised why you don't want members to be warned about something which could cause them problems while on holiday. I'm sure there are newbies who only read here for whom that info could be important. It might help if you gave an actual reason for your demand.
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Room VERY basic. Mat on floor. Cleaner asking the usual tip - declined. Shower alone before. Boy arrives and goes straight to sex - no massage.
When I was there last, I didn't have a drink and just made my selection for massage from those downstairs. Believe I was charged bht 500 for room and then paid tip directly to masseur after. There was no other fee involved. It was like any massage shop in that respect.
Just to clarify.......is this place actually a massage place where drinks are available, a bit like Blue House in Pattaya, or a Host Bar/GoGo Bar with massage available? Always assumed it was a GoGo style bar with stage but boys either didn't or couldn't be bothered with the 'gogo' bit.
I did visit many years ago when it was an 'upstairs' bar, it had a stage with gogo boys although most sat around on the sofas.
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What gay friendly accommodations are recommended in the Sunee Plaza area? Are the Flamingo Hotel or Mosaik Apartment good choices?
I would recommend both Flamingo and Mosaik. Not only convenient for Sunee but also a short Baht-bus/walk to Boyztown, as well as that, the area is surrounded by shops, restaurants, coffee shops, boy massage joints and TukCom on the doorstep.
I'm in Pats in 10 days. I decided to stay initially in the Jomtien Complex but hearing that Winner Boys has twinks I will certainly renew my acquaintance with Sunee, which was my favorite gay area during my first few visits to Pattaya 18/19 years ago. It is however a little awkward to travel between the two, but having offed I would invest in motor bike transport.
I always have a short stay in Jomtien as well as in South Pattaya on my trips. I used to consider transport between the two awkward, but not now. In reality catching a baht-bus at either end of Jomtien Complex is only 10mins to South Pattaya depending on time of day. Jump off beside Walking St access sois across from VC hotel and a few metres to sunee. Catch a return baht-bus at the same spot, and if privacy or speed is an issue you can flag down an empty one and hire as taxi and negotiate fare.
I think Bt100 for two is fair to Jomtien Complex and probably accepted. As there are no stops it's a very quick 10 mins or so. I have done that a few times now and prefer it to motocy taxi.
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I'm open and waiting for you to give me your tip for buying domestic air tickets in Thailand.
Should I go directly to Thai Airways website to book a ticket to Phuket? Or is there a better way?
Which airline offers the better luggage allowances?
And tip would help. A tiny tip or a big throbbing tip?
Most recent experience couple weeks ago for flight at end of September to Phuket from Bkk, all checked online direct with carrier's website.
Outward time 10.30am/return time 1pm. On the day I checked and booked the comparisons were- Airasia and Nok Air from Don Muang Airport. Return flights on airasia with 20kg luggage Bt2700, and Nokair with 15kg luggage Bt3200. Best choice for me was Thaismileair (Thai Air subsidiary) flying from Suvarnabhumi which is handy as I will be coming from Jomtien at Bt2400 return with 20kg luggage allowance, that was a promo so not sure if still on. Airasia had promos for certain flight times but I think the Bt2700 was for cheapest inc luggage upgrade to 20kg.
With Airasia and Nok Air you have to be careful of add-ons, the basic flights appear cheap/reasonable until you add luggage cost, then you have to check out of paying for seat choice and insurance. The Airasia basic cost has no hold luggage inc, you have to buy that later in booking, they have packages starting 15kg and up. Nokair is 15kg standard, not sure if you can upgrade luggage package. Thaismileair standard is 20kg for economy inc promos.
Of course all this said....it really depends on your travel dates and preferred flight times on those dates. I would have probably picked Thaismaileair even if more expensive as flying from Suvarnabhumi is more convenient for me, but was surprised to find it was also the best priced.
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They have carefully raised all their prices on the menu with 10 baht for each drink. 95 baht for an alcohol drink and 130 for a boydrink is still cheap though.
Glad to hear it. They need to be realistic in terms of income, and we need them to be so they remain open and viable. Even these prices are probably too low for a gogo bar but as they rely on expats as well as visitors they need to test the water to find a reasonable balance.
These price levels encourage me to stay and share drinks around. Not everyone visits the bars purely to off the boys, because I have nothing like this at home I enjoy visiting just for the fun of it, and part of that is interacting with the boys and enjoying a drink.
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don't worry , this is what i did on few occasions when they try to pester me for tips at Classics, tipped them 1 baht exactly
Not nit-picking here, but I'm surprised you would do that, although I'm not sure if you actually did this or are joking. But just in case a newbie reads this and follows your advice I would advise against it, as that would be considered highly offensive bordering on insulting, better to give nothing than 1Baht, 5 Baht, 10 Baht coin. You may consider it as being sarky, they however might take it personally.
One might get away with it if you are considered ignorant of your actions, but you wouldn't have done yourself any favours for future visits. On a bad day you might actually find yourself on the end of some bad language.
If it's some kind of standing joke between you and the pest, again that might be ok. I wouldn't recommend it as a way of getting rid of a pest though, it could backfire. Not trying to be over-dramatic here, but I have been witness to the reaction of waiters/bar staff in similar situations.
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So there we were,six of us, part way through a bottle of Blend and some large beers when .....yep another raid. The second I've had the "pleasure" to be caught up in in just a few weeks.
This time it was a little more serious. A few cops, quite a few troops, immigration, drug testers, press scum....all there...about 30 of them. Friday night as the place was full.
When he asked me why I didn't have it on me I told him exactly why I never carry it anywhere. He said you have to come to Police Station. "Ok up to you" ....still better than losing it.
Now I'm not a cowboy about this passport nonsense and usually carry a copy if I'm on a long term visit. I still take the view that a few, very unlikely, hours wasted at a Police Station is better than all the drama which would ensue If ever lost it.
I agree that losing a passport is more arduous than a police station visit, and so never carry it. Only exception is driving as it's safe in the car needs to come with me anyway if travelling around, and makes life easier with an official police traffic stop. I photo copy my main passport page (in colour) and East-Suites or which ever hotel is my first port of call after arrival photocopy my immigration slip, I keep these on me at all times. Have done this for more than a decade, have been asked for ID once during a police taxi stop in Bkk a few years ago, they were polite with 'search' and accepted the laminated copy without hesitation (folded in two credit card size fits all pockets).
It wouldn't have mattered which night/morning of the week it was, Tam Nan Issan is busy all year every day. I was there 3 times in my recent trip and could easily have been caught up in a raid like this had I still been there, so far have never done the pee test in 17 years of visiting after hours clubs and karaokes.
Worst case scenario, charged with having illegal drugs in your system and sentenced to prison. That would be a very serious situation; you're entitled to a re-test at a hospital, but don't count on police to facilitate that. You would be in a hurry to get yourself legal representation, especially if you think (know) that you are innocent. If you do have illegal drugs in your system, on the other hand, a re-test obviously won't help and just piss off police - in that case entering negotiations would probably be a better strategy. No, I'm not speaking from experience, don't take my word for it.
I would go further, and say entering negotiations should be the first and only course if you are positive with drugs, it would be the best use of money you ever made. In the situation where you know you have taken no drugs and would be declared innocent in any European country, if a very reasonable offer was made by police for you not to have to prove anything, say.....couple thousand baht I would take this too and get out of the situation a.s.a.p. guilty or not. I am not speaking from experience of being in that situation either but what I have always already decided to do if I find myself detained in any way for any reason even if absolutely innocent.
Blend 285 is a mix of malt whiskey and pure alcohol
Blend is also only 35 percent as opposed to normal 40 percent. Also the 'stuff' which is added to the malt is not declared on any label or box I have seen. Apparently some boys claim it doesn't get them as drunk with a sore head compared to 40 percent. When mixed with soda/coke/water/ice very difficult to tell difference between blend/pipers/ballantynes etc..
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Welcome Plaza has been totally refurbished. Mosaik after 10+ years and a recent change of ownership is showing its age and has become like other places around Tuck Com a favorite amongst Arab visitors. If you are insistant on Mosaik try to get a room in the samller somewhat newer section facing the back.
By change of ownership you mean a director was bought out?
Staff and main owners, as I am aware, are still the same.
If you mean by 'showing it's age' that it has gone downhill either somewhat or drastically I'm not sure where your information has
come from or when you last stayed there but as someone who stays there every 3-4 months I found recently only UPGRADES in some rooms where they had fitted very comfortable superior mattresses with toppers as well as all the wooden furniture (wardrobe/dining table/TV-DVD Unit) in the rooms I have had there. Also some of the bathrooms had new Hans Grohe shower equipment installed.
There has ALWAYS been 3 grades of room types in Mosaik, Standard, Deluxe and Prestige and the prices reflect the quality of room furnishings as well as equipment levels.
Also to add, Mosaik has become favourite with Chinese (Standard Block) and continues to be a favourite of European, westerners, Asians, middle eastern, etal customers. That's why they manage 90% occupancy rates much of the year and are still in business with high standards.
So have you stayed there recently? If so, maybe you could furnish us with some accurate up-to-date details of the room/rooms you have stayed in, rather than unspecific inaccurate generalisations.
This smaller, somewhat newer section facing the back you refer to......is where precisely? I haven't come upon any new sections this past 10 years, but always happy to be updated.
Mosaik is very easy distance to both Boyztown and Sunee where I've read Vessey visits. Also songtaews stop right outside Tukcom at the end of the soi and so easy access to Boyztown, and all areas on the 2nd Rd route, Soi 6-7, Diana and to LK Metro area. So I still highly recommend. Will be staying there again in few days time and happy to update any positive or negative aspects I encounter.
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Use "The limo pattaya" at 1200 one way. Always excellent.
For a couple of years I used PT Taxis exclusively, however the last few times i used them I found some things which were a nuisance becoming regular occurances, like stopping mid-journey for fuel adding another 30 mins, or the driver having to be told he is driving too fast too close to other traffic...140kph right behind traffic, weaving through traffic at high speed to make up time, spending long peroids on the phone to friends, girlfriends yapping about things of non-urgent nature while, weaving in and out, and sitting in outside lane at 140kph. On the last journey i used them all occassional occurances happened on the one journey and decided to try elsewhere. Having found the Limo Pattaya and used them multiple times over last 2 years they have been consistent in turning up ahead of time, big comfortable limos, carefully driven with sensible drivers, so, as per above 'always excellent' comment I would highly recommend them.
In the past I was happy enough with PT Taxis but the Bt200 pittance difference between the two I found to be well worth the change to Limo Pattaya. Bt1200 Suvarnabhumi to Pattaya/Jomtien.
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First visit to Pattaya i stayed only in Boystown at Ambience. In February Id like to try Jomtien. Where is good to stay? I like twink boys and prefer long time to short?
It depends what type of accommodation you are looking for and price level, but I always recommend East-Suites in Jomtien Complex right next to all the Complex bars. Large comfortable rooms, with large floor to ceiling sliding doors onto balcony, quality fittings with small kitchen area, microwave, fridge etc. and TV/DVD player. Immaculate 50sq/m rooms at around Bt1400-1500. Not a big hotel with around 10 rooms and no elevator due to it's size.
Owner is very helpful. It's usually very busy and I think not many dates may available so close to your intended February dates. Has good website, so worth a try if that's the type of place you are looking for.
I've booked for a short 3 night stay early next month at the start of my Thailand trip. Have had many enjoyable stays there.
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I have a booking for this coming Wednesday and Thursday. In the past on Thursday there has been a manager's drinks party for guests. If that is still in place and Lukas is there I'll ask about the changes and report back.
I have a booking for an up coming stay there so it will be good to hear from someone actually visiting so soon after the changes to find out the lie of the land now. I received an email yesterday from the new operators basically stating what has already been announced here and that from Oct 1 the new operators are Value Hotels Co Ltd. The email address is info@tarntawansurawong.com.
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I asked this question in a totally unrelated thread (so not seen by many), so I make it its own topic.
For those of you who take hotels in Thailand and who go to bed late, say 3 am, 4 am you will wake up I guess around noon or 1 pm.
In many hotels the cleaning ladies have already finished around that time (or have at least finished with your floor). You go then to reception and ask for the room to be cleaned when you wake up?
What I do is this: I take care around 10 am I leave the hotel for breakfast and 2 hours later I go back and my room is then almost always cleaned. I do this because I think if I leave hotel only around 2 pm, I will have missed the cleaning sweep and my room will not be done that day.
(My assumption is namely the cleaning ladies know which rooms to clean because if the reception has your key, they know you have left the hotel and your room is free for cleaning.)
So how do your guys take care your room is being cleaned when each day you leave hotel only 2 pm or even 3 pm?
I really can't understand why anyone would want, let alone need, their room cleaned daily. Does anyone do that when they live at home? clean the rooms they live in on a daily basis? you would have to suffer from OCD for that to happen, so why put up with daily room cleaning in a hotel? And it's absurd that people like the OP actually work their daily routine round a cleaning lady.
If you really must have it cleaned tell them when you are prepared to have it cleaned. I've never come across a hotel with part time cleaners working only mornings, it doesn't make sense, most hotels have check out 12pm so afternoon would expect to be the time they would need to be working.
When in a hotel for only 2-3 nights I never have it cleaned, I might request extra towels or replacement towels along with bottled water and that's about it. At the Tarntawan if they see us go out, or know the room is vacant they will put clean towels and water in without asking, maybe even tidy up, in all the years staying there I can't ever remember a cleaner coming to the door to request to clean it. In Thailand I'm there for fun and relaxing not to fit around a cleaners timetable. Of course I'm not that bothered if they go into clean the room if I just happen to be out anyway, like if away to beach or out for the day. If in a hotel for a week I might have the room tidied up mid stay. That's why I am more at home in an apartment when in Pattaya.
In the early days when I stayed at the Flamingo Hotel many mornings I used to get back from the nights fun just as the cleaners were turning up to start their day at 8am! If they hadn't cleaned it for 3 days they would call up about 4pm and ask if I wanted it cleaned. Everyday they would come with fresh towels and water or leave them outside before finishing their shift. It's amazing what they learn about customers habits and wishes, those who don't you just have to tell them.
Abidismaili....they are there for your convenience not the other way round!
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My boyfriend is planning on becoming a monk short term and had started discussing the costs with me. Initially it was 150,000 but has now jumped to a whopping 300,000. He has not asked me for the full amount but has asked for me to contribute 100,000. If anyone is able to shed light on the costs involved I would be really grateful.
From the replies you can see that 'shedding light' on a specific cost is nigh impossible, there are many differing amounts offered up here by others. Just the same as 'shedding light' on any other formal Thai occasion from marriage to funeral. The cost will vary wildly no matter if HiSo, Issan village or any other scenario.
The situation between the OP and his bf is about trust and knowing something about his bf's family, and not having relatives simply throwing in unnecessary costs because a foreigner is involved. I haven't had any specific experience of Monk Ceremony costs, but have been present when other formal occasions have been discussed in bf's family and village (I have not been involved in any manner in these, just an observer).
One of the main problems I have found/observed in the Issan village esp my bf's, is the amount of family/extended family who put in their tuppence-worth of what they consider SHOULD be done, all that does is lead to extra costs to appease this one or that one, keep face for this one and that one. Also the trouble is, once the announcement has been made and things set in motion it's very easy for the costs to spiral, and of course there is no chance of cutting back/cancelling plans as the would be far more damaging in terms of 'face' than the ridiculous cost at the end. As 'smiles' states, poor families have absolutely no compunction about borrowing huge sums of money way above their realistic ability to repay.......that will be a 'tomorrow' problem not a 'today' one so no need to worry!
Regarding funeral costs for example. I've seen funerals in bfs village done for Bt10,000 or less and ones for over Bt100,000. All differ because of different circumstances. How many family members involved? how many of them are HiSo in village terms (council members etc..)? how popular was the deceased?. How many family/extended family/friends/friends of friends to be catered for?, will a Morlam Troupe to be requested/required to play? if so how big? single karaoke style for Bt5,000?, troupe of 6 for Bt20,000?, full band and troupe of 12 Bt50,000+? etc and so on and so forth.
The wedding arrangements/plans for my bfs sister were a total fiasco and far too detailed and long winded to give an example of here.
So basically there is no set amount, no universally accepted amount, no real framework to say what is acceptable and what is over the top. It seems to be many various influences unique to each occasion and those involved, however I'm pretty sure unless a foreigner has respect from and is firm with families extraneous pleas for cash they will most likely be taken advantage of. It helps of course, if your bf has his feet on the ground and is basically strong enough to also stand firm and not get 'carried away' with the situation.
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A very sad time in life for me. After 5 wonderful years together with my Thai BF, we have broken up.
But it was unexpected and quite devastating.
This all happened during my visit in the beginning of April for Songkran. I have been home for a couple weeks just dealing with my heartache. The sense of loss is profound and honestly, more deep then I could ever have imagined.
So very sad to learn of your heartache, anonone. The fact that it was unexpected would make a break up that more devastating.
I've been with my bf getting on 9 years and I can't really envisage not being together or what could lead to a break up, but that's the thing you just never know sometimes. Our getting together was a slow burn over a length of time which just kind of crept up on me as when I first met him I wasn't earnestly looking for a relationship, but now I too would be devastated if anything suddenly happened. He's been my only Thai bf so have never gone through a break up to know/understand what you are going through, only that it must hurt.
Hope in time you can come to terms with it if there is absolutely no chance of a reconciliation. Hope also you make back to Thailand in not too distant future, always enjoy hearing about your trips.
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Does anyone know if Mosaik apartment has internet? Their website says free internet but booking.com says no internet available.
Yes I can confirm Mosaik has free WiFi. You get a password code for each device if you have more than one. I have had no problems with their WiFi on multiple visits over a few years, and have stayed in various of their Apartments in different buildings.
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This is a good guide for the wise! And it could serve me well, because I care more about low airfares than good weather. I am happy walking in the rain, as long as it is not too strong. Since I care more about seeing cute gays than seeing clear skies, I may look into July/August to catch those vacationing students too.
Thank you all for your advice!
As far as I am concerned there isn't a bad moth to visit Thailand, all year round is worth a visit. Over the last 16 years I've visited at some time or other during all months bar Nov and Dec.But I tend to stick to Jan/Feb, June and October as the most regular months as they suit my schedule and it's 3 annual visits equally spaced. Things to note...May has 4 public holidays, and July 3 which may affect bars and venues if they coincide with your visit. July and August tends to be Euro hols so if you are travelling from Europe flights will not be as attractive as May/june/September.
As for rain, I never think about it when booking a visit. It does put many westerners/farangs off from going out visiting bars etc..during an evening with rain, why?......I don't know....as an umbrella is all that needed between bars which all have roofs! Yes there can be occasional heavy downpours but it never causes bars, discos, clubs, or massage shops to actually close. Yes it's classed as low season but there are still tons and tons of available lads, but in June there may only be 1,000 to choose your one boy for the night from instead of the 2,000 in high season!
I've just returned from a month's trip and booked already for June which will be every bit as enjoyable as my last trip and the next one after. Sure there is less 'atmosphere' in some of the bars as there are less customers, but still plenty of of available and willing guys. There may be an element of guys who return home to work but the vast majority of guys in Pattaya are based there and stay there permanently with occasional trips back home. Also with Gay Romeo and hornet you don't even have to rely on going out...you can arrange for a visit.
Bangkok like wise, but I seem to notice less difference between the months there, as every Friday/Saturday/Sunday is high season around suriwong/silom.
June is also a good month for room availability at reasonable rates both in Bkk and Pattaya. Also there are no local/Buddhist holidays if entertainment venues are important to you.
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There were a number of older females seated in the front rows, which is to be deplored on our gay beach. They were probably Russians although they are much less in evidence this year. Icream Ka was in full voice and even did a little cabaret turn for our benefit in his rather fetching white briefs. Not so many beach vendors or massage men this year.
I enjoyed my visit and did a little sun bathing in my speedos, although I am carefull not to burn, as the strong sunlight can penetrate even the concession canopy. I was in the water for a while swimming out and back to the swimming area barrier which is further than it looks.
I had had enough at 4pm so returned to my motor bike for return to Pattaya. I did think about stopping at the Bamboo Bar or in the Complex but they are usually very quiet until the mass exodus from the beach at about 4.30 to 5.00
Thanks for the update on DongTan Beach 'Travellerdave'. Will be in Jomtien soon for a short stay before heading to other areas, and although my Beach visit is almost opposite from your own! we probably get the same amount of enjoyment out of our visits. I'm never in speedos, more rolled up levis or chinos with loose shirt and never swim, never there before 3pm, as it's the cooler later breeze I prefer. But I do enjoy the relaxing atmosphere at the gay concessions, and after a bit of a walk around the area I enjoy a lounge in the deck chairs with a cool beer and coffee. Yes, I also prefer the gay beach area to be populated by gay men and boys....manly, flexible, femme......all very welcome types to have around if they're gay. On way back after 5.30pm, used to enjoy a bite at Bondi, sadly closed, but often pop into some of the less busy/popular bars at the start of the Complex.
Staying at East Suites again in Jomtien.......in the middle of things and great rooms. Can't be bothered with the malarkey of stuck-in-traffic Song Taews to and from South Pattaya, and gave up on motocys in Pattaya after a couple of close shaves and finally an accident on the back of a motocy taxi when we were hit by a drunk katoey. Decided I had used up my full quota of motorcy serious injury free cards from the pack.
Too bad Willie can't read. He is the only Moron who supported bigoted post by Alexx!
Everyone is entitled to 'like' any post they wish without the need to be disparaged by others just because they don't agree with their choice of what to like.
Too bad you can't follow your own advice about disparaging others. Rather hypocritical to make an accusation that you in turn copy on the very next post you make. As for you accusing another member of being a Moron........incredible.....I'll leave it at that.
Superstar Esan (Isaan) club South Pattaya
in Gay Pattaya
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Thanks for that. I'm staying in Jomtien Complex for a few days as part of February trip, and Rom Pho ain't too far, that'll be worth checking out. The way 'smiles' described it I thought it might be further down Jomtein and quite a way back from Jom 2nd Rd.