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That is my problem, all I can do is to guess.
Anyways it was fun dreaming about time together but such conclusion of the affair was in cards due to various stunts so while upset I was not that surprised , even less shocked. Just big time disappointed. 
Yes I picked up myself as soon as I left hotel to go back to Bangkok, boarded plane relieved it's over  and as we will see , trip developed quite nicely up to the last off(s) included.

WOW now we have an Inspector Clouseau mystery...

WOW now we have an Inspector Clouseau mystery...

Day 5
 I did not mention I will be leaving soon and there was no need as in the morning he rushed to his day time job , just giving me enough time to have breakfast and pack up .  I had that bottle of red wine I forgot to give CCP and  presented her to my tuk-tuk driver who took me to airport.  He was quite surprised that his quoted fare of 8 $ included getting bottle, lol. Hope he did not try it on his way back to the city.
Sitting on the plane all emotions  related to this affair left me , all of then sudden I realized I have 5 days free to roam fortified with 30000 baht CCP decided to leave in my pocket by pissing on our deal. At noon I was in Swampy already. Immigration was breeze. Hour later I  was checking into Rose. It was my first time there and I liked what I saw. Super location in quiet corner steps from Suriwong, room with the view. Only thing I did not like was washbasin in the  toilet, way too low. Clearly aimed at people much shorter than I’m. 
 I went for  a stroll and crossing Silom I spotted one of  boys known to me with handsome farang. Because we exchanged few PMs on the subject of said guy I suspected I  knew who farang is but they were in rush and I had blackout forgetting farang’s nick so did not stop them either. Later on fired PM to him to confirm it was him and it was a case indeed. So to 31 forum members I met I add one whom I just passed by chance, lol.
G’bangkok in soi 4 was busy so I went for dinner to Happy Beer Garden greeted warmly by one of waitresses who by coincidence had birthday today as whispered by other waiter. So treated her with big bottle of Chang.
Then to Hot Male beer bar, had few drinks with P , my first night stand and then decided to check Jupiter’s show.
Bar was packed. As always boys were  first class look but smiles lacking, nothing new here .After show and it was midnight I decided to leave passing by few their guys standing by the door including one quite muscular and handsome like hell. I was already outside when Guardian Angel pushed me back inside so I asked that guy about drink. We sat down and made deal very fast. Boy drink and off fee 950, gave mamasan 1000 baht note and couldn’t get a change so after few minutes decided   to leave. If somebody will wonder why on my next visit or two at Jupiter I will not tip , there’s answer, that self service.
Boy, J,  was hungry and suggested modestly Foodland but inside was less modest ordering their most expensive dish, some steak. No harm done and Bon Appetit.  
In the room  was very active and pleasant. World is coming to an end, another Jupiter off I’m so happy with. I never thought I will live that long! Too bad he did not want to stay till morning. Tipped him generously though as it was well deserved but as always  I denied request for  taxi money. What was supposed to be my last night in PP turned to be my first in Rose. Nice to be back in Bangkok, it took less than a day for me to get over and forget whole CCP debacle like it never happened.

no idea , I don't know those things but noticed unusually yellow eyes.
It was , at end of day whole thing was covered by half full part of glass
It's why I'm not bitter, as said above on recollection of first few days after he contacted me I still smile. Broadly.
Sure I spend some money and it was mostly wasted as per specification above  but may be it was just price for that dream.
I suspect he may be losing more sleep then me over it as money he forfeited by those antics was , at least for Cambodia, substantial

I guess you must be right. It's still puzzling me that he forfeited whole deal as from financial point of view he was bound to make quite a buck based on our agreement. Clearly not enough for him I guess though
 
You guys may be right but something tells me it was not a reason. He could simply suggest the I should pretend I don't know him and it's what I suggested but answer was very clear ' you should go first".
 
lesson learned. I doubt I ever will forward money before slipping my hand into boy's jeans first. It was bit costly tuition but tuition it was. 
When one looks at whole financial side of the affair it was not him who benefited the most but various airlines. All he got was  200 $ for shopping and 15 $ for bringing me to the hotel from airport. Total 215 ?
his ticket to BKK -175 $ my second ticket when he requested separate flight 80$, my third ticket when I decided to cut my time in PP short 75 $, bottle of wine 17$, money lost on cancelling original hotel reservation 10$. Total 357 $
And so did I.
Risk was calculated indeed  and I understood that it's on his side as well since we never spent really time together. It's why we ironed  almost everything before I even set off. 
When I recall those first few days after we connected and how thrilled  I was then I tend to think it was still worth expense and being burdened  with subsequent disappointment. Call me stupid  but I still smile. Yes , overall trip was very enjoyable and that affair while disappointed me , did not spoil my fun even close to degree one could expect. 
As I reported above , even my last night in PP was VERY pleasant and pleasing affair.

WOW now we have an Inspector Clouseau mystery...

Vinapu, I am sure many of us have had similar experiences with Asian men!
Mine more so in the Philippines. I once invested heavily in a new friend from online with plans for him to meet me in Cebu City. He lived in Cagayan de Oro. So to make it a short story, he asked for my help with getting his Teachers Certificate, USD100. I agreed. I bought him a Ticket to fly to Cebu, USD 75. However, he said he had to change the date because of a job interview. Of course the Ticket was not refundable. So changed the Ticket, USD35. Then he sent me a sad massage, he had gone to the Airport for the flight and they would not let him board because his Photo ID was not valid. Of course I went to the Airline Office to try to resolve all this. And paid an extra fee to reissue the Ticket USD25. Finally he said his Sister would not let him fly to Cebu to meet me. At that point my plans with him were gone and so was a goodly amount of my budget. But life goes on...
CHEERS

Vinapu, I am sure many of us have had similar experiences with Asian men!
Mine more so in the Philippines. I once invested heavily in a new friend from online with plans for him to meet me in Cebu City. He lived in Cagayan de Oro. So to make it a short story, he asked for my help with getting his Teachers Certificate, USD100. I agreed. I bought him a Ticket to fly to Cebu, USD 75. However, he said he had to change the date because of a job interview. Of course the Ticket was not refundable. So changed the Ticket, USD35. Then he sent me a sad massage, he had gone to the Airport for the flight and they would not let him board because his Photo ID was not valid. Of course I went to the Airline Office to try to resolve all this. And paid an extra fee to reissue the Ticket USD25. Finally he said his Sister would not let him fly to Cebu to meet me. At that point my plans with him were gone and so was a goodly amount of my budget. But life goes on...
CHEERS

Vinapu, I am sure many of us have had similar experiences with Asian men!
Mine more so in the Philippines. I once invested heavily in a new friend from online with plans for him to meet me in Cebu City. He lived in Cagayan de Oro. So to make it a short story, he asked for my help with getting his Teachers Certificate, USD100. I agreed. I bought him a Ticket to fly to Cebu, USD 75. However, he said he had to change the date because of a job interview. Of course the Ticket was not refundable. So changed the Ticket, USD35. Then he sent me a sad massage, he had gone to the Airport for the flight and they would not let him board because his Photo ID was not valid. Of course I went to the Airline Office to try to resolve all this. And paid an extra fee to reissue the Ticket USD25. Finally he said his Sister would not let him fly to Cebu to meet me. At that point my plans with him were gone and so was a goodly amount of my budget. But life goes on...
CHEERS

Vinapu, I am sure many of us have had similar experiences with Asian men!
Mine more so in the Philippines. I once invested heavily in a new friend from online with plans for him to meet me in Cebu City. He lived in Cagayan de Oro. So to make it a short story, he asked for my help with getting his Teachers Certificate, USD100. I agreed. I bought him a Ticket to fly to Cebu, USD 75. However, he said he had to change the date because of a job interview. Of course the Ticket was not refundable. So changed the Ticket, USD35. Then he sent me a sad massage, he had gone to the Airport for the flight and they would not let him board because his Photo ID was not valid. Of course I went to the Airline Office to try to resolve all this. And paid an extra fee to reissue the Ticket USD25. Finally he said his Sister would not let him fly to Cebu to meet me. At that point my plans with him were gone and so was a goodly amount of my budget. But life goes on...
CHEERS

Day 4
 Contrary to what may be expected I slept quite well and would sleep even longer but at 7 am I was waked  up by sound of air conditioner. Breakfast on 15th floor , included in price, I truly enjoyed food and the view . Going down,  my phone sounded, it was Line message , you guessed rightly,  from CCP. Repeated last night excuse about delivery and being hungry like he couldn’t say that at night he will not come.
Then complained that he is stressed because of debt and it caused him to lose 5kg, fact I noticed yesterday at the airport. And noticed that I keep tight limit on his monetary requests. Next out of blue question come if during those 5 days in BKK we can make trip to Phi Phi island . I said no , I’m not planning to go outside of Bangkok . He mused ‘ why ? we have so many days” so I answered   because it would cost more than I planned to spend. And I had question too ‘ what about our trip today?’ , answer was brief “ I think I cannot “ . All I could do is to say ‘ thank you for letting me know , I will ask at travel office”.
Then I knew all affair is  over. And as it turned so did him because my next message “ what about tomorrow? “ was never read till last day of the trip.
So yes, all warning signs were like that, warning signs . it was only me who seeing those opted to ignore them feeding what  my friend described as  ‘ magnificent illusion” . It was magnificent indeed. But no more . I fired my tablet decided to cut my stay in PP short. Tickets for today were bit costly so I bought one for tomorrow for exactly the same flight I was supposed to take with him day later. It was my third ticket for PP-Bkk flight, first was original and second for that requested earlier flight. Also booked 1 night at Rose hotel because Baan Silom was full for the night.
 Wandered a bit around riverbank and downtown including magnificent Psar Thmei market but emotions and uncured jet lag conspired and early afternoon I just collapsed in bed to a sound sleep till 9 p.m.
Then groomed myself a bit and went to Space Bar again skipping dinner. Hard to believe but breakfast was only meal I had today. In the bar I was greeted by my last trip companion. I did not waste time to ask him to come to my room after bar closes , idea he approved gladly. Later in course of conversation he told me that he knows I’m taking ‘big guy” with me to Bangkok. Wishing it was true indeed I said nothing. So obviously CCP spilled the beans, otherwise how he would know ?.
 Few rounds of drinks kept me and boys at my table in good spirits, fact is quite a few of them were hiring material if I stay longer. Tab was even higher than yesterday and again I suspect I was charged for more drinks I ordered  unless boys ordered some behind my back on my tab. No complains as I had good time indeed. But it looks no end to today’s dramas.
 My expected companion disappeared somewhere and was nowhere to be found.  I went to hotel hoping he will be waiting there but no. So lined him only to receive message that he is angry with me because he noticed I tipped few guys just for sitting , drinking and talking.  Clearly PP air is not good for me this time, sigh. But I got bright idea to offer him what I’d pay CCP tonight and shortly he was on his way.
 
 What I thought as consolation price was consolation indeed. He turned out very warm and yet energetic  guaranteeing sleepless steamy night  for us both. Probably best of that whole trip.
 

Day 3 , finally THE GREAT DAY
 V needs to go to work so we waked up at 7 and after refreshing marched to Unesco Designated for the breakfast warmly greeted by personnel there  sporting knowing smile. I will see it plenty in coming days , that’s sure thing, LOL, Then V went his way and I returned to my room to pack.
  Since trip to PP is short , just three days,  and I’m returning to Baan Silom I will leave my new suitcase with most of my goodies including two bottles of red wine for CCP there and take only what’s necessary.
Before I started I fired phone up and already that early was message from my PP guy , “what time  you are coming ?” , “ I will pick you up ‘ , ‘just call me when you arrive’. Thrilled I took it as we are in business, picture of his car with plate followed so all good.  My heart beat increased for a while and cloud 9 seemed closer. Since my flight was at 3 pm I was in no rush to pack up. I went for a stroll to  colourful market in soi 5, changed more money as we are supposed to return on Sunday. Not that I need it since money for CCP is set aside and secured but I don’t like to be left without cash on hand in any case.
Checked out exactly at prescribed 12 noon, left suitcase on reception and took BTS + MRT+ SRT combination to arrive at   Don Muang about 1 hr later . I had tasty roasted duck with rice lunch at coupon place in corridor leading from station to terminal. Checking in was smooth ,I had enough time to buy another bottle of red wine in duty free for 600 hoping we will open it later tonight. I  send Line message to CCP I’m on my way , got ‘see you soon darling” response and at 3 pm we took off to land in PP 1.15 hr. later.
I had e-visa so admission was fast , I bought SIM card for few dollars , messaged CCP I’m here, to get a picture of his car parked under the big poster outside of airport so it was very easy to find him and soon I was in.
Smile the same like before , sweet and charming but it looked he lost some body mass. We were on busy street in rush hours so not much more than handshake but I couldn’t help not to touch  his impressive biceps and indeed they were softer than I recalled. He noticed it and shyly admitted he did not exercise that much recently. He also looked bit tired and his eyes were bit yellowish and also admitted to getting bit drunk last night.
I noticed whiff of disappointment that my new shiny suitcase did not arrive with me but I explained that luggage was limited on the flight and she is waiting for him in BKK as promised. Roads were  crowded as expected at 5 pm so it took us good 45 minutes to reach hotel. He told me that he is no longer working in bar after some disagreement with owner about leaving earlier. Boys there are expected to work till end of their shift and what they do after is up to them.
So it seemed  had he did not contact me in beginning of month if I arrived as originally planned I would not have  a chance to see him anyways  unless he would be responding to my Line.
 We also ironed two trips to Phnom Chisor and Udong I previously planned for tomorrow and after tomorrow by his car I still want to check on his bar tonight  so he suggested I have fun there and he will come to hotel at midnight
 He dropped me at hotel and distracted by his smile I forgot to give him his bottle which I realized in lobby but he already speed away so I texted him with apologies to a sweet response ‘ have fun in bar with boys and see you later tonight”.
This time I stay in Okay Boutique hotel in small alley behind National Museum. Nice view of PP and Mekong from it’s restaurant on 15th floor. Hotel seemed to be busy with tour groups. I was given room with no less than 3 beds but not much view as it was on 3rd floor only
It was already getting dark so I went to ChristianPFC’s  recommended Dolce Vita restaurant for my serving of Cambodian version of chicken with cashew nuts and from there to Space Hair bar hoping to see some familiar faces. This time mostly new guys , I recalled one or two only , guy I invited to my hotel last trip was absent  so I lined him to show up at least tomorrow.
 Bar was not busy until about 10 pm so I was holding court to three  guys, then one more joined us for drinks. It was all good natured fun. One needs to remember that as soon as drink is finished your companion may feel free to leave the table so if t you want to keep them , keep buying drinks. Fortunately it’s not that expensive exercise but keep tab on what you order. I suggest you make it obvious you count drinks  ordered as I was under impression I was charged for 2 or 3 more   than my boys consumed unless some of them ordered something on my tab behind my back.
 Did not make any fuss over that , 52 $ for evening of fun seemed reasonable. Mindful I expect my guest at midnight I tipped discretely three of my companion 10$ each and  left bar past 11 pm and walked toward hotel, Lined CCP as I walked to ensure him  I’m there and  received  message he will be bit late as he had some unexpected delivery and wants to eat something before he arrives. Fine I will wait. And wait I did to a complete silence, at 12.40 I sent message I’m going to my room ( I was waiting outside ) and about 50 minutes later, quite devastated I went to bed.
 Yes , it was expected considering earlier antics  but at least I’d expect some false excuse or something , not just silence. And considering promised tip, well above PP standards,  absence  was puzzling even more.
 

I rather be smart than smart enough  but I need to live with what I have , lol
Yes , my naivety in this case is controlled , I know what I can give and what behavior I can take and built ways of escape, both in the open and hidden. I can figure out he may be thinking the same, ' what if....'
you right  he is not sweet caring Asian boy but not naturalistic brute either, charming and well built young man I'd say. I don't want boyfriend I want companion for bit more than week, one who I will be comfortable with but who won't be afraid to say what he has in mind, in short I want the man, not a boy toy.

yes and no. I take seriously all warning signs and take precautions watching my back and having escape routes. But yes ,I want and hope for deal to go through. Knowing myself for quite a while I know I wouldn't forgive myself if I did not try in this case. It's why I  invested in tickets and send him that 200 $. But I'm not desperate , it's why I took risk of denying 2nd requested installment exactly for reason somebody mentioned above  - I want to see some action first. 
Those 3 days in PP should clear waters either way so I'm excited but also prepared for disappointment and indeed for trouble. I also start worrying about potential problem if everything will go well indeed - how to keep him entertained in those 5 days in Bangkok. Found already well equipped gym nearby as he is fitness buff.
Truth is I don't know him other than three nights of drinking in the bar with some discreet  under the table action. But it's also his  case for me - he doesn't know me as well and may keep in mind fate of those who were taken as toy boy and dumped with nothing.
Several years ago it was guy in Tawan who was taken as trophy boy to Malaysia for a month , was treated well, dining shopping partying , all expenses paid. But at end of stay was sent back with 3000 baht total for all that trouble. No doubt cases like that are on boy's minds. 

"I'll be happy to help you with that when I see you."
Don't let your dick and your heart over-rule your head. There is a chance he is being honest. There is a much, much larger chance that he is playing you. Don't send him money and let him prove he's showing up before he gets paid anything.

I think we all find your new Boy Friend a little confusing.
Here is hoping your Dreams come true!!  😍

I think we all find your new Boy Friend a little confusing.
Here is hoping your Dreams come true!!  😍

I think we all find your new Boy Friend a little confusing.
Here is hoping your Dreams come true!!  😍

I think we all find your new Boy Friend a little confusing.
Here is hoping your Dreams come true!!  😍

For the fans of EarthMix, GeminiForth and KhaotungFirst - 2 of the 8 episodes of “Moonlight Chicken” are available on YouTube:
 

Preliminaries
 Normally January to April is NOT a period in which I travel due to work commitments. I wouldn’t even plan it but there are some issues brewing for later part of 2023 which may stop me from travel , at least from travel to Asia. And work load seemed lighter for  this January as younger colleagues took the slack  so just before Christmas I decided to book another trip to our beloved Land of Smiles.
 Time wise all I could afford was 2 weeks and that is what I aimed for. It will be also my first trip in January and February. When I return I’ll be left only with March , Apr and July to cover
Some readers may recall following statement from my Oct/ Nov 2022 trip summary :
“ Surprisingly perhaps  guy I consider most memorable of the whole trip was one whom I did not even off, that hunk I met in bar in PP. Perhaps that’s good  - reason to return there sooner the better.”
Yes , I liked him a lot so as part of planned trip I booked flight for 3 days to Phnom Penh (PP ) just to check if he is still working there.
In Oct  he told me that he is not going with clients , just drinks with them in bar and when I tried to suggest he can accompany me for trip to Siem Reap he said  he is busy till end of 2022 but may be available in next year. When in Siem Reap I made last effort to see if he would come to see me there but response was the same and this was last I heard from him. In short I gave up  but being in the region I wanted to try once more.
Applied for Cambodian e-visa and it was issued overnight so all I had to do was to wait for departure day month Iater.
 Guardian Angel had other plans for me though, right after New Year , out of blue Line message came from my guy asking ‘ How are you ?’ like he knew I’m coming . Which was not a case as very few people knew about my plans and nobody , including me , even knew his name or nick. It’s why I suspect Angel’s hand in that.
 I was thrilled and even more  few hours later when new message arrived ‘ now I have time for us”. Obviously it seemed that he somehow remembered his ‘ next year possible ‘ statement. That landed me immediately on Cloud 7 if not 9 and that feeling did not leave me for quite few days. Even now on recollection I can’t help but smile.
We ironed things fast, I suggested 5 days trip to either Angkor or Bangkok and Pattaya (3+2). He opted for Thailand  but for some reason  only for 3 days Bangkok part.  Fine , what about 5 days in Bangkok  ?
Immediately it was approved ‘yes , 5 days”. He sent me copy of his passport so I could buy him ticket , outbound for  exactly the same flight I was supposed to return to Bangkok originally.
 What about kissing? “yes I kiss and I want you to kiss me too”, “ I will do my best we have fun together”.
Financial arrangements were set for both PP and Bangkok part. Being prime beef he knew his price but from my point of view what he asked for was roughly what I spend daily for massage and overnight session  so I did not have any problems approving his request.
 Learning he has a car I suggested taking two trips to sights near PP by his car and offered price bit higher than travel office would charge expecting that premium goes toward stolen kiss or 5 somewhere on the road.
 All that took only 1 or 2 days during which I never left my cloud 9 happy mood fortified by few pictures he send me unsolicited ( no I will not post them here nor send to you by PM even if they were decent pictures , suitable for grandma to see ).
Week later cloud 9 become bit cloudy indeed with message ‘ you should go to Bangkok before me “????
Why ? we are on the same flight but we can pretend we don’t know each other. “ I want to make sure you are in Bangkok before me since I did not travel for long time “.
  I find it strange  but being NOT about to blow whole thing about additional ticket ( my original was not refundable, non changeable I asked if the same day is OK , it was , what about flight which takes off 20 minutes earlier ? It’s OK too. Very puzzling but I invested 80 $ in new ticket, cheap price considering I’m looking for 8 days in arms of one of best guys I ever put my eyes on.
 I have few ideas what may be reason but none convincing so I just let it go.
After daily rounds of ‘how are you today ?” messages  few days later more up to a point message came
“ I did not travel for long and need new clothes,  shoes and suitcase, can you send me 350 $”, Oho, ho though I, it starts already .
I suggested that we can do shopping when I’m 3 days in PP but he said he prefers to do it now because there are great sales before Chinese New Year. Makes sense.
But again , hoping for the best I sent him 200$ and promised to gift him my new suitcase I just bought, enforced it even with the picture.  Fact that I put limit on request was noticed but with what seemed good humor.
So now I descended from cloud 9 to level 5 if not 4 but still I’m thrilled with anticipation. Even see good point with that split flight as it could be escape route for me if those 3 days in PP will turn sour or something. 10 days to go and I really count days but seeing those requests I also start thinking about escape route if need arises.
 Then few days before departure next request comes , car loan  of 426 $ to be repaid enforced with photo of previous payment. It looked authentic with payment due 3 days before my arrival in PP.   Can  I borrow him that money and subsequently deduct from his payments when we meet ?   No, I don’t want to do any advance payments, organize money there I answered while confirming our financial arrangements.
 Answer was “ ok I understand , see you in PP in few days “ .
 So I’m still thrilled locking my door ready to go to the airport but seeing things are bit less rosy although not unexpected I resolved to leave money I set aside for him for Bangkok part in trusted hands in BKK and not to reveal name of hotel we will be in until we both land in Swampy. Also fact that I’m planning to change hotels after 3 nights as it’s my habit anyways is supposed to be hidden until morning of move. Just in case.
That request to fly separately bothers me a bit it needs to be said,  if only because I can’t come up with plausible explanation.
 I’m not overly suspicious realizing that some of it may be related to fact that while his spoken English is  quite conversational , his written language is quite poor so that my be reason plausible explanation is not coming.
 Another factor tempering my excitement is concern how I will keep him entertained   during those 5 days as his ideas of good time maybe different from mine but that is problem for us to solve in due course. Which is soon.
 

I have a Pattaya freelancer with me now. I just asked him about this. 
He said he would not be happy with his profiles and information being discussed on the internet. I know some other boys have no problem with it. Everyone is different.

It may be polite to ask the person in question before deciding to share their profiles and intimate information online. If nothing else, out of respect. 

To report a little more on all the spas around sutthisan winitchai rd. 
Home massage and Kmanspa have managers who speak decent  English and will give excellent recommendations, especially if you want bottoms, you should really ask and the manager will provide. The guys I got seem to understand intuitively what is expected and they can read the room, and have done want i wanted without needing any words being said. 
 
I got Mr Kla at BT house men massage who  gave a long and stellar quality Thai massage with a lot of sensual aspects, and transitioned the massage seamlessly into fucking me like a champ while putting his tongue deep into my throat. I was very impressed. 
Now, we need to talk about 27 M massage. they have many gorgeous boyish looking guys as you can see in the picture attached here. I tried Dollar and Pe.  These guys showed no interest whatsoever in pleasing me.  They were doing very little, and very reluctantly. The best I enjoyed was kissing their bodies and sucking them. 
Essentially, it a masochist service: use them if you want a gorgeous boy that is showing disgust at the idea of kissing you. 

Some of these guys may indeed identify as straight but I've found that over the last 21 years of visiting bkk that they should be thought of as "Bangkok straight".
What I mean is that once the door to your room or massage cubicle closes, no definitive rules apply. They are free to be whoever or whatever they wish.
I've had some of my best times with Bangkok straights.