firecat69 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Truly a First Class Jerk who has never started a thread himself and only jumps in with insults . Average a post every 2 weeks and not a single one that anyone would be interested in reading unless they were a First Class Ass like yourself! Crawl back into your hole and stay there. You will not be missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forky123 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 There is a going rate and if you deviate from it for whatever reason during sex for money transaction, you do not look good from one standpoint or another no matter how you try to spin it. Keep your financial details private and do it as you please.Not exactly sure how someone is supposed to know what the going rate is if everyone keeps the details to themselves. Personally I like to know what others feel is a fair tip so I can both ensure I am not paying too little and so I am aware of how much to add to the basic for good or exceptional service. I may well put information here if I have given a good tip. It isn't about bragging or charitability, it is to highlight good, and justly rewarded, service. And if you overpay and try to present others who do not in negative light on public forum , you are a fucking idiot (pure and simple).I haven't seen anyone do this, though I have seen people who pay considerably under the going rate being painted in a negative light. Certainly not going to lose sleep over that. vinapu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Prakanong Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Please delete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forky123 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Hey, I get it! You are offended, repulsed, repelled by the idea of someone offering to tip 300 Baht based on some communication that your favorite boy showed you. Are you sure there was no misunderstanding on your part - maybe the 300 Baht was for the sick buffalo??? Just kidding. I appreciate the fact that you are totally disgusted by cheap Charlies that you have decided to devote your time to teaching others on how much to pay money-boys and as to what's fair or not fair in this big, bad world. Despite your disgust, I see you've shacked up with three guys whom you've put "on rotation" over the next two weeks. Split shifts or every three days? I'm not sure it's a very respectful way of describing human beings serving your sexual needs. Seriously, I'm happy that you have three boys "on rotation" to keep you warm over the next two weeks. We wouldn't want you to get cold on that moral high ground. I think the sick buffalo you mention has spread a large pile of manure over your, ill conceived, post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FossilGay Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I think everybody needs to take a chill pill! I really have 3 boys I am quite happy to rotate through for the next 2 weeks. I am not looking for anything new . I finally realize I am too old for the pace I had been keeping. Since those boys have already been reported on, there is nothing for me to report. Could that be the problem? Gay Thailand/Thai boy fatigue? I see it sometimes in my fellow expat friends as well as frequent visitors. They have seen/done everything in the sex-for-pay scene and don't want to try anything new/get out of their comfort zone. Then they complain about the lack of excitement and then start to "see" things, find faults and eventually start to pick on other farang expats and visitors. Some of these guys even begin to talk like bar-boys and emulate their lingo and kick up a big fuss over small matters that can be resolved amicably and quietly. By the way firecat, did you see my suggestion on the closed thread. Please let me know if you do come up with anything. I'm not rich but I'd like to contribute in any way I can. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FossilGay Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 What I find as not very smart (to put it very mildly)is when people start bragging about their generosity (or charitability) or inversely how little they managed to pay. There is a going rate and if you deviate from it for whatever reason during sex for money transaction, you do not look good from one standpoint or another no matter how you try to spin it. Keep your financial details private and do it as you please. In other words, the system has a way of working itself out and coming to an equilibrium. The boys, mamasans, the infamous grapevine will weed out the "underpayers" and the "overpayers". As farang, we really don't have to do anything. It's their turf, their system. If we piss them off, they'll take care of us. Kapish? hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not exactly sure how someone is supposed to know what the going rate is if everyone keeps the details to themselves. I fully support your point remembering my first visit back in 2001. Somehow I was told tip is 2000 but did not catch ST / LT distinction. Still remember happy sound of boy getting that much after 1 hr of mutual squeezing in the Suriwong short term rooms. Fossil above is right that system will work itself out, "overpayers" will get attention and stingies will be left to have drink alone. Easy to spot when bar hopping. williewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Some of the posts in this thread are unnecessarily rude. I believe the board rules still prohibit personal attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shamahan Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Not exactly sure how someone is supposed to know what the going rate is if everyone keeps the details to themselves. Personally I like to know what others feel is a fair tip so I can both ensure I am not paying too little and so I am aware of how much to add to the basic for good or exceptional service. I may well put information here if I have given a good tip. It isn't about bragging or charitability, it is to highlight good, and justly rewarded, service. I haven't seen anyone do this, though I have seen people who pay considerably under the going rate being painted in a negative light. Certainly not going to lose sleep over that. If you think that posts on message boards have anything to do with establishing going rates, you are totally wrong. As a matter of fact going rates in Pattaya, for example, remain the same for many years (for at least 20 years as far as I can remember). Thus,do not bring these bogus arguments . I noticed, by the way, that you know nothing about Thailand and have zero understanding of the country. There are visitors who come to Thailand year after year and still have absolutely no clue. People who like bragging about their generosity frequently have much more prosaic motives but it does not hide the fact that they absolute fucking idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 After z909 correctly points out that the tone in part has been heading south, along comes the usual suspect and immediately ups the ante. At least he's consistent. DivineMadman, baobao, vinapu and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveboy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 What I find as not very smart (to put it very mildly) is when people start bragging about their generosity (or charitability) or inversely how little they managed to pay. There is a going rate and if you deviate from it for whatever reason during sex for money transaction, you do not look good from one standpoint or another no matter how you try to spin it. Keep your financial details private and do it as you please. And if you overpay and try to present others who do not in negative light on public forum , you are a fucking idiot (pure and simple). I sincerely never thought of the disclosure by some members of their higher tipping rate as bragging. The same as I don't find that the members who disclose their hot adventures with gorgeous boys are bragging. On the contrary, I feel good that they have such a good time and it turns me on. And I think they are doing a good service for people like me who are just beginners in the art. I have only paid for sex with a male once in my life, and it was very positive. But I still question why should I pay for something I can get for free and experience the challenge of getting it. But now that I found this site and start reading, I'm warming up (!! ) to the idea of having some paid sex. I think that I am not repulsive and I should not be much hardship for a working boy. Although I have no moral problems with paid sex, it is very helpful the concept of contributing to the support of a young person and eventually his family. And I like generosity and win-win situations. ChristianPFC, vinapu, williewillie and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I don't create new threads/topics often but when I do, as in my trip reports, I put a LOT of effort into them with details, links, photos, etc. and rest assured that your efforts are appreciated big time by both members and visitors DivineMadman and williewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 not hide the fact that they absolute fucking idiots. cool down men, there are people on this forum who can swear in 7 languages without even taking a breath, whom you are trying to impress with your eloquence? Manly69 and williewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinapu Posted October 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2015 the infamous grapevine will weed out the "underpayers" and the "overpayers". As farang, we really don't have to do anything. It's their turf, their system. at end of day this is up to the boys to put labels on us. And not always they are following what we think. If you read my report from May trip, day 10 you may remember that I was dumped mid-bar by the boy who decided to go with somebody else even if we agreed on rate I never paid before and I doubt I will. Not sure money was reason but possibly it could. On another hand in one of most popular massages in the Silom area I saw boy visibly happy with his very aged client who was taking him out LT and boys told me that clinet pays little but is very undemanding and takes his boy very often so i guess boy liked steady but meager income with not much effort to earn it. For those who are not taking disagreements well, I have eye watering story: During strong winter small bird fell on ground frozen mid-flight. Fortunately passing bull dumped his load on the same spot and warmed up bird came back to the life and started chirping happy. This was heard by the wolf in bush who rushed and ate the bird. Moral of story to remember is : not everybody who shits on you is your enemy and not everybody who takes you out of shit is your friend. Hope we will remember that next time fellow poster makes us upset by disagreeing. There's third moral from that story unrelated to our recent troubles but still worth consideration : in you are in deep shit, keep quiet. ChristianPFC, DivineMadman, steveboy and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokopelli Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I have only paid for sex with a male once in my life, and it was very positive. But I still question why should I pay for something I can get for free and experience the challenge of getting it. But now that I found this site and start reading, At one time in my life I thought same as you about paying for sex. Then, when I realized I wasn't getting any sex I started paying and never looked back. Now I get what I want and when I want. Why anyone would come to Thailand and not be willing to pay for sex is beyond me anymore than trying to get a free meal, free lodging, free transportation, etc. vinapu and williewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokopelli Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 First of all the thread is veering off course, which is ok with me. Secondly, above was not being directed at Steveboy, rather just my opinion on sex in Thailand. I have friends who say they want to visit Thailand, and some have, but would never, ever consider paid sex with a Thai guy. Some are put off with thought of sex with someone with brown skin and others "don't pay for it" although they might when they get old. This was from a 60yo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forky123 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 [ If you think that posts on message boards have anything to do with establishing going rates, you are totally wrong. As a matter of fact going rates in Pattaya, for example, remain the same for many years (for at least 20 years as far as I can remember). Thus,do not bring these bogus arguments . I noticed, by the way, that you know nothing about Thailand and have zero understanding of the country. There are visitors who come to Thailand year after year and still have absolutely no clue. People who like bragging about their generosity frequently have much more prosaic motives but it does not hide the fact that they absolute fucking idiots.Can you read? Or do you simply reply to what you think someone might have said rather than bothering to read what they actually did say in order to be contrary? Please quote where I have ever said that message boards establish going rates. What I said was Not exactly sure how someone is supposed to know what the going rate is if everyone keeps the details to themselves. Personally I like to know what others feel is a fair tip so I can both ensure I am not paying too little and so I am aware of how much to add to the basic for good or exceptional service.This is about visitors being informed and nothing about setting rates. I noticed, by the way, that you know nothing about Thailand and have zero understanding of the country.You noticed this during our long walks arm in arm through Bangkok or is this just another example of your attempts to divert people from the weakness of your arguments and the manure you dribble? DivineMadman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williewillie Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (Responding to koko's last post) I also know old men who say they are not attracted to Asians. I suspect it's the 'small cocks' stereotyping. These same men haven't had sex in decades and probably never will again. They bought into another stereotype, that gay men past 50 are sexless doddering old fools that nobody would touch. They accept the bullshit and lead miserable lonely existences with only porno to remind them of what they're missing and liquor. The vast majority of older gay men in the West fit this hapless type and believe paying for sex is wrong. The 'dirty old men' stereotype is more bullshit. I shower a couple of times a day. vinapu and kokopelli 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 The vast majority of older gay men in the West fit this hapless type and believe paying for sex is wrong. I have never considered paying for sex is wrong.In fact I find it exciting and gives me a feeling of adventure that separates from everyday life. Why do they think it's wrong? Is it a religious principle or moral one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forky123 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 (Responding to koko's last post) I also know old men who say they are not attracted to Asians. I suspect it's the 'small cocks' stereotyping. These same men haven't had sex in decades and probably never will again. They bought into another stereotype, that gay men past 50 are sexless doddering old fools that nobody would touch. They accept the bullshit and lead miserable lonely existences with only porno to remind them of what they're missing and liquor. The vast majority of older gay men in the West fit this hapless type and believe paying for sex is wrong. The 'dirty old men' stereotype is more bullshit. I shower a couple of times a day. I wonder how much is around cock size and how much is varying degrees of racism? I also wonder if the vast majority believe paying for sex is wrong or are more concerned with what people would think of them if they found out. IMO most people pay for sex, simply the form of payment changes. Paying a prostitute or escort is simply a much more direct method of payment. kokopelli, DivineMadman, vinapu and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alexx Posted October 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2015 Why anyone would come to Thailand and not be willing to pay for sex is beyond me anymore than trying to get a free meal, free lodging, free transportation, etc. I think that argument needs to be narrowed down. Expecting free sex from a prostitute is as foolish as expecting free lodging from a hotel. Expecting free sex from a non-prostitute much hotter and/or younger can be considered foolish as well (or lucky, when it happens against all odds). These specific scenarios aside, I know many people who travel to Thailand and aren't willing to pay for sex, and there's nothing wrong with that at all. kokopelli, williewillie, DivineMadman and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokopelli Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 you are right Alexx, plenty of reasons to visit Thailand for reasons other than sex. I just don't believe that gay visitors should completely reject the idea of paid sex without first experimenting. williewillie and biguyby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steveboy Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 whom you are trying to impress with your eloquence? "Eloquence"... You deserve an A+ in diplomacy. vinapu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
