Kamala Harris Vice President

[Buddy2]

Excellent.

 

Just now Trump called Senator Harris "nasty" in her questions to Brett Kavanugh. What was expecting Susan Collins or Lindsey Graham?

[AdamSmith]

I think Biden just showed his shrewdness in self-presenting as ‘Just Sensible Uncle Joe,’ but then selecting this fiercely social-justice, economic-justice advocate as VP.

[tassojunior]

A huge Fuck You again to the half of Democratic voters who are Bernie supporters. "Go Away". (We will).  The Democratic Party is now firmly in the grips of  AIPAC, Wall Street  and the ultra-right wing Neo-Liberals who are thirsty for the blood of 20 million Iranians. Anyone who'd pulled a lever for Kamala to exterminate 20 million Iranians would have pulled a lever for Hitler. America needs to get out of the business of mass genocide of non-whites. They may be a different color but they are humans.   

[TotallyOz]

Fucking excellent move. The point is to win. The point is not to cater to Bernie supporters. They, of all people, should know the value of this election as it was their Bernie or Bust that is partially to blame for the loss of the last one.

She was my top pick and Susan Rice was 2nd. I am happy with this choice.

[Latbear4blk]

If the Trump presidency did not teach a lesson to the "they-all-are-the-same" crew, leave them live in their "we-are-the-antisystem" fantasy. 

[Lucky]

When Kamala Harris becomes president, she will do more for Black people than any president since...Joe Biden! I think this is a huge gain for Black people. The time has finally arrived.

[Buddy2]

Bernie Sanders enthusiastically endorsed Biden. So did Andrew Yang, whom I really like.  So did Tulsi Gabbard 

[AdamSmith]

1 hour ago, Lucky said:

When Kamala Harris becomes president, she will do more for Black people than any president since...Joe Biden! I think this is a huge gain for Black people. The time has finally arrived.

There were also LBJ, and one Abraham L.

But, too sadly, not a single other President ever, really.

The time has at long last come indeed.

Thank God Almighty.

[TotallyOz]

1 hour ago, Buddy2 said:

Bernie Sanders enthusiastically endorsed Biden. So did Andrew Yang, whom I really like.  So did Tulsi Gabbard 

Pretty much anyone in their right mind?  No?

[Latbear4blk]

Uh... I will support the Biden/Harris ticket, but with no enthusiasm. I would only expect very moderate, centrist, improvements in policy as in the latest Dem administrations. I need more to be enthusiastic. 

[Riobard]

Her high school is a few blocks from where I live in Montreal. I expect Trump will clutch at straws and substitute Canada for Kenya. 

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[JKane]

 

 

 

I'd hoped he'd name Kamala special prosecutor once elected and have a more progressive VP, but then again, she actually has a chance to grow into a future of the party, and if we get a bunch of actual progressives in congress it won't matter so much how progressive the rubber stamp at the WH is.  

Still:

 

 

 

 

[Buddy2]

14 hours ago, tassojunior said:

A huge Fuck You again to the half of Democratic voters who are Bernie supporters. "Go Away". (We will).  The Democratic Party is now firmly in the grips of  AIPAC, Wall Street  and the ultra-right wing Neo-Liberals who are thirsty for the blood of 20 million Iranians. Anyone who'd pulled a lever for Kamala to exterminate 20 million Iranians would have pulled a lever for Hitler. America needs to get out of the business of mass genocide of non-whites. They may be a different color but they are humans.   

Senator Sanders didn't get half the votes in the Democratic Party primaries, not even close.

 

Biden swept nearly every primary starting with South Carolina. He won primaries in States where he didn't campaign, including Massachusetts

[tassojunior]

12 hours ago, TotallyOz said:

Fucking excellent move. The point is to win. The point is not to cater to Bernie supporters. They, of all people, should know the value of this election as it was their Bernie or Bust that is partially to blame for the loss of the last one.

She was my top pick and Susan Rice was 2nd. I am happy with this choice.

You do realize as the co-author of SESTA/FOSTA Kamala wants to put you in prison for life for running this site just as she personally did the owners of Backpage? SESTA to take away the neutral party/ free speech protections of section 230 of the Communications Act was her first accomplishment after entering the Senate. She's the most vengeful person going after sites that have anything to do with escorts or even sex. https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/12/23/kamala-harris-slaps-new-charges-on-backpage-in-a-case-that-threatens-tech-sector/ . She's an Indian Anita Bryant on steroids. 

She tried to execute a (black) man she knew was innocent to help her political career, and did execute plenty of others she could have waived execution on. https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/01/democratic-debate-kamala-harris-tulsi-gabbard-joe-biden-fact-check/ . But when it came time to prosecute Republican Steve Mnuchin for illegally taking 1 million Californians' homes, she stepped in and refused to prosecute.  Her very respected black father has denounced her as a racist. When's the last time a president's father has denounced them as evil? 

Politically, even though the corporate owners of the Democratic Party (and the US) decided 2 years ago that Kamala was to be the next president and even though  her hubby is the lawyer for CNN, Facebook, etc with all the gloating publicity that brings, voters showed in primary after primary, especially in black areas, that they wanted nothing to do with her. That's why they maneuvered Biden in as a placeholder candidate to get her in.  In debates she's a harsh attacker but she has a "glass jaw"; when anyone attacks back or even questions her she goes silent. She's poison at the ballot box in the swing states and after a couple weeks that will start showing in polls as the Dems drop fast with her. When she gets in as president she'll cause a tsunami against Dems in 2022 and in 2024 will lose miserably to fellow Indian-American Nikki Haley whose just as Trumpist right-wing as anyone. Kamala could well be the end of the Democratic Party. 

But morally the next big decision for the US will be whether to attack Iran and Kamala's promised AIPAC to get the ovens fired up for 20 million  that Trump is too much of a pussy to do. America's gone so very far right wing in the past couple decades that both political parties are unrecognizable anymore and it's impossible to pin which is more to the "right". I forget; was Goebbels or Hitler the more right wing? Who was the better speaker with more charisma and seemed more progressive? That's all that matters, right?

 

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by tassojunior

[Buddy2]

The United States is not going to attach Iran. Absurd 

[TotallyOz]

5 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

Uh... I will support the Biden/Harris ticket, but with no enthusiasm. I would only expect very moderate, centrist, improvements in policy as in the latest Dem administrations. I need more to be enthusiastic. 

Yeah, I have never been enthusiastic for Biden. But, I'll vote for him. I was also not enthusiastic for Obama but I voted for him. I am a liberal socialist and much prefer the far left but I'm always willing to settle for someone sane rather than any republican.

1 hour ago, tassojunior said:

You do realize as the co-author of SESTA/FOSTA Kamala wants to put you in prison for life for running this site just as she personally did the owners of Backpage? SESTA to take away the neutral party/ free speech protections of section 230 of the Communications Act was her first accomplishment after entering the Senate. She's the most vengeful person going after sites that have anything to do with escorts or even sex. https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/12/23/kamala-harris-slaps-new-charges-on-backpage-in-a-case-that-threatens-tech-sector/ . She's an Indian Anita Bryant on steroids. 

She tried to execute a (black) man she knew was innocent to help her political career, and did execute plenty of others she could have waived execution on. https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/01/democratic-debate-kamala-harris-tulsi-gabbard-joe-biden-fact-check/ . But when it came time to prosecute Republican Steve Mnuchin for illegally taking 1 million Californians' homes, she stepped in and refused to prosecute.  Her very respected black father has denounced her as a racist. When's the last time a president's father has denounced them as evil? 

Politically, even though the corporate owners of the Democratic Party (and the US) decided 2 years ago that Kamala was to be the next president and even though  her hubby is the lawyer for CNN, Facebook, etc with all the gloating publicity that brings, voters showed in primary after primary, especially in black areas, that they wanted nothing to do with her. That's why they maneuvered Biden in as a placeholder candidate to get her in.  In debates she's a harsh attacker but she has a "glass jaw"; when anyone attacks back or even questions her she goes silent. She's poison at the ballot box in the swing states and after a couple weeks that will start showing in polls as the Dems drop fast with her. When she gets in as president she'll cause a tsunami against Dems in 2022 and in 2024 will lose miserably to fellow Indian-American Nikki Haley whose just as Trumpist right-wing as anyone. Kamala could well be the end of the Democratic Party. 

But morally the next big decision for the US will be whether to attack Iran and Kamala's promised AIPAC to get the ovens fired up for 20 million  that Trump is too much of a pussy to do. America's gone so very far right wing in the past couple decades that both political parties are unrecognizable anymore and it's impossible to pin which is more to the "right". I forget; was Goebbels or Hitler the more right wing? Who was the better speaker with more charisma and seemed more progressive? That's all that matters, right?

She is not perfect and she has many flaws as does Biden. But, the alternative is unbearable. I never liked Bernie. I can't tell you why as I don't know. I agree with most things he said. But, I never liked him. I loved Warren and wish she had made it further. There are others for the top of the ticket I preferred. But, once Biden got the numbers, I wanted him to pick a woman of color that would help him. From all indications, that is Harris and if that is what it takes to win, I'm all for it.

[Riobard]

The problem with sex work has always been the challenge of separating out the safe consensual  realm from the domain of third party exploitation of women and minors. The acceptable baby gets thrown out with the bath water of advertising which the criminal element infiltrates. It is populist to support a law (SESTA/FOSTA) the passing of which satisfies parents whose children have been murdered, parents invited to the Oval Office for bill signing. 

From what I can gather, Harris does not strongly endorse the harsh position of the Nordic model in which the consumer should without question be punished. I think that legal adult men-2-men should be able to remain beyond the extent of the reach of her true mission in the area. This gets back to: Stop calling trade ‘boys’! 

It does not mean that she will pivot and concede how the law exacerbates security problems for women. But I do not believe she is determined to criminalize all consumers of sex. Her response to sex worker advocacy has not been to urge them to get out of the business. She seems to be Nordic-lite and even less rigid than Canada’s legal stance. She might find it amusing and incredulous that in Strip Central North where she lived in the late 1970s it is currently illegal to acquire sexual favours merely by treating another adult to cocktails and cigarettes. 

[caeron]

 

Seriously, since the republican ticket is hitler-satan, I'm voting blue no matter who. Maybe we don't get as much as we wanted, but what I most want is for the world to stop burning to the ground.

[tassojunior]

1 hour ago, Riobard said:

The problem with sex work has always been the challenge of separating out the safe consensual  realm from the domain of third party exploitation of women and minors. The acceptable baby gets thrown out with the bath water of advertising which the criminal element infiltrates. It is populist to support a law (SESTA/FOSTA) the passing of which satisfies parents whose children have been murdered, parents invited to the Oval Office for bill signing. 

From what I can gather, Harris does not strongly endorse the harsh position of the Nordic model in which the consumer should without question be punished. I think that legal adult men-2-men should be able to remain beyond the extent of the reach of her true mission in the area. This gets back to: Stop calling trade ‘boys’! 

It does not mean that she will pivot and concede how the law exacerbates security problems for women. But I do not believe she is determined to criminalize all consumers of sex. Her response to sex worker advocacy has not been to urge them to get out of the business. She seems to be Nordic-lite and even less rigid than Canada’s legal stance. She might find it amusing and incredulous that in Strip Central North where she lived in the late 1970s it is currently illegal to acquire sexual favours merely by treating another adult to cocktails and cigarettes. 

Kamala is one of the leaders of the odd "American moral crusader model". She claims she wants to protect sex workers by closing down all internet sites, like Backpage, Craigslist, Rentboy, etc where even one minor might get in. The theory is that the only way to protect minors and those abused in trade is to shut down all internet sites dealing with sex and put the worst punishment on the internet site owner. It's the opposite of any Nordic European model.

[Riobard]

1 hour ago, tassojunior said:

Kamala is one of the leaders of the odd "American moral crusader model". She claims she wants to protect sex workers by closing down all internet sites, like Backpage, Craigslist, Rentboy, etc where even one minor might get in. The theory is that the only way to protect minors and those abused in trade is to shut down all internet sites dealing with sex and put the worst punishment on the internet site owner. It's the opposite of any Nordic European model.

I am not sure that you understand that the Nordic Model is abolitionist and criminalizes advertising and purchase of sex. The term emerged from Scandinavian nations that became very conservative, following a period of tolerance, and then imposed restrictive legislation on prostitution. It is completely unrelated to the position of most European nations that hold an accepting if not progressive view on commercial sex work. But in actual fact, you cannot have both a permissive stance and absence of exploitation. There is a constant tradeoff between autonomy and damage and there is nothing in our universe that supports the idea that there is an answer to every polarized tension that exists.  

As I indicated earlier, it is not Harris’ mission that all of society be abstemious with respect to prostitution. She 180’d on marijuana but would reject fentanyl for the same reasons ... you cannot reconcile and integrate what is innocuous an element and what is harmful an element into one generic unopposed category. It is not up to the government to micromanage sex work marketing by continually vetting and monitoring it for the patently criminal element that ruins it for legit providers. It is not incumbent on government to unravel the Gordian knot or solve the stalemate of harm inevitability on both sides of the argument: laissez-faire vs prohibition. Nobody has really come up with a viable option, to the hammer, that mitigates the risk of abuse of the vulnerable while offering the consumer a choice of provider unencumbered by the inadequacies of the few places globally that regulate brothels. It is perpetually a tricky business. No pun intended. 

To me it has a similar flavour as the pandemic. There is only one management solution and it never met with everybody’s approval, so the government is pressed to solve a situation that is essentially figuratively palliative while the public vehemently rejects the diagnosis. I personally did everything to immediately stop the spread and others did not. I prefer the application of a definitive approach, however subgroups protest it, than the pretence of playing both sides. So not terribly miffed about prostitution law. 

Regarding sex trade, men having sex with men are not really caught in the crossfire. Canada is as restrictive as USA but it does not seem to impede access. Maybe I would belly-ache about if it was relevant in terms of risk of prosecution.  

Edited August 12, 2020 by Riobard

[bcdaron]

All I know is that Trump will win and it will be because a confluence of vote abnormalities due to the postal service, local county officials ineptitude combined with political bias, and finally low voter turn-out for African Americans, Latinos, the young and disenfranchised progressives.

I'm trying to be in another country when the stunner from this election comes through....Biden might even win the popular vote.

Democrats will hold the house, possibly flip the senate or will be deadlocked almost 50/50. The leadership will refuse to change the filibuster if it goes Democrat or if they do "eliminate the filibuster" it will only be applicable to certain situations and at the discretion of leadership, which is the way it is now (create a fake win they can point to).

I hope I'm wrong because I think Biden would be slightly less fascist than Trump domestically, while I still think he'd keep our same international policy of war and oil. But who knows if Biden would be less fascist, after all, it was Obama that got rid of posse comitatus that stops the ability of the government to use federalized troops as a police force, Biden more than like agrees with that stance as well especially since he authored the Crime Bill and just chose a prospector as his VP.  

Let's face it people the Democrats and the Republicans are corrupt and even the progressives like Bernie Sanders are corrupt. There is no way Bernie could back Biden and actually believe in climate change. At this point it's better to ignore all this white noise of politics and just enjoy what peace you can bring to your reality. 

[tassojunior]

51 minutes ago, Riobard said:

I am not sure that you understand that the Nordic Model is abolitionist and criminalizes advertising and purchase of sex. The term emerged from Scandinavian nations that became very conservative, following a period of tolerance, and imposed restrictive legislation on prostitution. It is completely unrelated to the position of most European nations that hold an accepting if not progressive view on commercial sex work. As I indicated earlier, it is not Harris’ mission that all of society be abstemious with respect to prostitution. 

The difference is neither putting the blame on the sex worker or the customer but putting it (severely) on the type of internet sites where such contacts may be made, or promoted, or even discussed. I don't think there's another 1st-world country that still thinks that way about the internet. American moral crusaders, left, right, and in between, are weird. 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by tassojunior

[Riobard]

30 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

The difference is neither putting the blame on the sex worker or the customer but putting it (severely) on the type of internet sites where such contacts may be made, or promoted, or even discussed. I don't think there's another 1st-world country that still thinks that way about the internet. American moral crusaders, left, right, and in between, are weird. 

I don’t think it’s about bandwidth and if we were not digitally developed it would mean the hammer coming down on some other upstream intermediary that is irrevocably tied to the downside of female commercial sex. I have never been puzzled by the tendency of law enforcement to conflate advertising platforms with pimping. It might seem like unfair collateral damage. So be it. Again, nobody has invented a solution that has laser precision and eliminates all fallout. Nobody can mind-read the abusive source of damage that befalls a victim. Most would call for both prevention and reaction. Reaction occurs following damage that cannot be undone. Hence, the simplistic feeble application of some degree of restriction that still leaves room for consensual transaction. Wanting to prevent true harm is not morally smug. Sanctimony is, and here in this you get bedfellows that appear to have identical agendas. I disagree that you cannot differentiate between desire for protection and desire for control.

Edited August 12, 2020 by Riobard

[Buddy2]

30 minutes ago, bcdaron said:

All I know is that Trump will win and it will be because a confluence of vote abnormalities due to the postal service, local county officials ineptitude combined with political bias, and finally low voter turn-out for African Americans, Latinos, the young and disenfranchised progressives.

I'm trying to be in another country when the stunner from this election comes through....Biden might even win the popular vote.

Democrats will hold the house, possibly flip the senate or will be deadlocked almost 50/50. The leadership will refuse to change the filibuster if it goes Democrat or if they do "eliminate the filibuster" it will only be applicable to certain situations and at the discretion of leadership, which is the way it is now (create a fake win they can point to).

I hope I'm wrong because I think Biden would be slightly less fascist than Trump domestically, while I still think he'd keep our same international policy of war and oil. But who knows if Biden would be less fascist, after all, it was Obama that got rid of posse comitatus that stops the ability of the government to use federalized troops as a police force, Biden more than like agrees with that stance as well especially since he authored the Crime Bill and just chose a prospector as his VP.  

Let's face it people the Democrats and the Republicans are corrupt and even the progressives like Bernie Sanders are corrupt. There is no way Bernie could back Biden and actually believe in climate change. At this point it's better to ignore all this white noise of politics and just enjoy what peace you can bring to your reality. 

Spain was a fascist country until Francisco Franco died. In the 1970s. I was in Spain during 1973.

Using the word "fascist" to describe the United States may be true in some aspects. But, not in comparison to Franco's Spain in 1973 where his national police were totally out of control in the Basque Country in Northern Spain.

 

[tassojunior]

Even the densest Republicans are sure to eventually stumble on Kamala's dubious birthplace citizenship, at least as far as the presidency.  Neither of her parents were US citizens when she was born in the US and there's growing consensus among legal scholars that the birthplace citizenship test of the 1898 Wong case is just legal baloney made up by a poor court and stupid policy. It's absurd in a day of easy international transit and birthplace tourism. Before 1898 that was not US law and it's a very feeble case with no reasoning. Plus the constitution requires the president to be a natural born citizen subject to the full jurisdiction of the US, which children born here of foreigners are not. 

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States