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I think you're trying to go about this the wrong way.  I advise not trying at massage shops at all.  The massage shops aren't looking for unusual requests.
Instead, try the apps.  Plenty of boys on the apps advertise themselves as massage boys.  Send one of the boys a message explaining what you want and ask him if he can bring along a couple of willing boys with him.  If he says no, move on to the next boy.  If he says no, try the next.
Eventually you'll find what you want, especially if you dangle a money carrot.  I wouldn't recommend trying to be a cheapskate about it, especially since you are looking for a "special service."  And if you get any takers, I advise tipping all three of them very well.  VERY well.  Then they'll want to come back next time you want a "special service", even if it's something totally different from this one.
Don't be impatient during your search.  You never know.  Many may turn you down or, who knows, you might get lucky on the first try.  Think of it as similar to fishing.  It may take some time before you get any bites, but sooner or later you'll reel one in . . .

I think you're trying to go about this the wrong way.  I advise not trying at massage shops at all.  The massage shops aren't looking for unusual requests.
Instead, try the apps.  Plenty of boys on the apps advertise themselves as massage boys.  Send one of the boys a message explaining what you want and ask him if he can bring along a couple of willing boys with him.  If he says no, move on to the next boy.  If he says no, try the next.
Eventually you'll find what you want, especially if you dangle a money carrot.  I wouldn't recommend trying to be a cheapskate about it, especially since you are looking for a "special service."  And if you get any takers, I advise tipping all three of them very well.  VERY well.  Then they'll want to come back next time you want a "special service", even if it's something totally different from this one.
Don't be impatient during your search.  You never know.  Many may turn you down or, who knows, you might get lucky on the first try.  Think of it as similar to fishing.  It may take some time before you get any bites, but sooner or later you'll reel one in . . .

I'm with you on that.  I do like a high end expensive restaurant once in a while if I like the food.  For me the priority is how well I like the food.  It doesn't matter to me how well appointed the place might be.  For example, I have a favorite restaurant for lunch - and it is open only for lunch.  If you get there around 2:00pm don't be surprised if it's already closed.
It's rickety old bench seating with rickety tables and flatware of the quality you might find in a Dollar Store.  Nevertheless the place is almost always packed with Thais, even in heavy rains.
The menu is entirely in Thai - no English at all.  But the menu does have pictures.  If your smartphone has a translator app such as LENS, no problem knowing what you're ordering.  It's probably best to go with a Thai friend, at least the first time.
Why do I like it so much?  Because he specializes in crab dishes and every one of them are fantastic - better than I have ever had in the best of restaurants.  And he doesn't skimp on the portions.  Even better, the most expensive item on the menu is about 200 baht.
The name of the restaurant is Gao Krapao Poo
GPS coordinates:  12.96002, 100.91052
 

 
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It's not me?  How disappointing . . .

It's not me?  How disappointing . . .

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

That is extremely rare, but I have actually witnessed that sort of thing happen.  Some may remember the Kaos go-go bar in Sunee Plaza - very long gone now.  I became friendly with one of the dancers, June.  A farang customer called him over to sit with him.  The farang spent the next hour publicly groping him to the point it was obvious June was embarrassed and humiliated.  Then the farang gave him a tip.  20 baht!  I was furious and I had seen this farang before, so he knew damned well how much Thai money is worth.  I went over and gave June 100 baht right in front of the farang and said I just gave him one fifth of what you should have given him.  The farang was completely unfazed.
A few days later I was back in the bar.  That farang was not there.  June told me that same farang made an arrangement for June to come to his room one afternoon.  June went.  When he got there and knocked on the door, the farang opened the door and told June he already has a boy inside, then he shut the door in June's face - not even giving him baht bus fare. 
That was the last time I ever saw or heard anything about that guy.  I hope somewhere along the way he did that to the wrong boy and got the shit beaten out of him, but I never saw him again.  I asked June why, knowing the kind of person this farang was, did he agree to go to the man's room.  He said he needed the money.
So yes, no question that people like that are out there.  Fortunately people like that are quite rare.  Even if the bar had told him how much he should tip, do you truly believe he would have complied?  I don't.  I think he would have done the same thing no matter what he was told and probably continued doing that wherever he went.
Again, fortunately that kind of behavior is extremely rare and does not happen often enough to change my personal opinion about tipping.  I have a feeling nobody reading this board would ever dream of treating a boy that way and probably has never seen anyone do that sort of thing.  But I cannot argue that it never happens, especially when I witnessed it myself.

I am truly sorry for the reasons why the Chines tourists can't come, but I have no objection to the fact that they can't come.  Many of us who live in Pattaya dread the day the hordes of Chinese tour buses return.  I, for one, am certain the city won't change a thing about how all that is handled, so sooner or later I am expecting the return of those buses causing major traffic, not to mention parking, problems.
As for the bars, they need to pay attention to their actual customer base.  I believe in Jomtien Complex and Sunee Plaza the vast majority of customers are American, British, and European.  I doubt many in that set are looking for outrageously high priced drinks, high off fees, aggressive mama-sans, and horrendously loud music volume.  If the bars want to succeed, they better consider what their customers are looking for - and it ain't boys wearing T-shirts and jeans . . .

I am truly sorry for the reasons why the Chines tourists can't come, but I have no objection to the fact that they can't come.  Many of us who live in Pattaya dread the day the hordes of Chinese tour buses return.  I, for one, am certain the city won't change a thing about how all that is handled, so sooner or later I am expecting the return of those buses causing major traffic, not to mention parking, problems.
As for the bars, they need to pay attention to their actual customer base.  I believe in Jomtien Complex and Sunee Plaza the vast majority of customers are American, British, and European.  I doubt many in that set are looking for outrageously high priced drinks, high off fees, aggressive mama-sans, and horrendously loud music volume.  If the bars want to succeed, they better consider what their customers are looking for - and it ain't boys wearing T-shirts and jeans . . .

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it.  First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade.  I'd say that depends on which bars you go to.  I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars.  The same is true on the apps.
Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off.  Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it?  Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars.  If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place.  If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar?
I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me.  T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days.  If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging.
I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it. 

I agree.  Nothing wrong with discussing medical topics and sharing information.  But there is everything wrong with someone looking for us to provide a diagnosis and recommend treatment.  Like it or not, that is for a doctor, not us.
I'm sorry, but I think it is wrong to consider doctors to be the last resort.  For me, doctors are the first resort.  If you have something wrong, go to a doctor, not a message board.  If you have had bad results with one doctor, go to a different doctor.
 
"Nuthin' goes right for me.  I decided to try Viagra, but I accidentally dropped them all into the toilet.  Now the lid won't stay down."
-  Rodney Dangerfield

That is extremely rare, but I have actually witnessed that sort of thing happen.  Some may remember the Kaos go-go bar in Sunee Plaza - very long gone now.  I became friendly with one of the dancers, June.  A farang customer called him over to sit with him.  The farang spent the next hour publicly groping him to the point it was obvious June was embarrassed and humiliated.  Then the farang gave him a tip.  20 baht!  I was furious and I had seen this farang before, so he knew damned well how much Thai money is worth.  I went over and gave June 100 baht right in front of the farang and said I just gave him one fifth of what you should have given him.  The farang was completely unfazed.
A few days later I was back in the bar.  That farang was not there.  June told me that same farang made an arrangement for June to come to his room one afternoon.  June went.  When he got there and knocked on the door, the farang opened the door and told June he already has a boy inside, then he shut the door in June's face - not even giving him baht bus fare. 
That was the last time I ever saw or heard anything about that guy.  I hope somewhere along the way he did that to the wrong boy and got the shit beaten out of him, but I never saw him again.  I asked June why, knowing the kind of person this farang was, did he agree to go to the man's room.  He said he needed the money.
So yes, no question that people like that are out there.  Fortunately people like that are quite rare.  Even if the bar had told him how much he should tip, do you truly believe he would have complied?  I don't.  I think he would have done the same thing no matter what he was told and probably continued doing that wherever he went.
Again, fortunately that kind of behavior is extremely rare and does not happen often enough to change my personal opinion about tipping.  I have a feeling nobody reading this board would ever dream of treating a boy that way and probably has never seen anyone do that sort of thing.  But I cannot argue that it never happens, especially when I witnessed it myself.

Am I reading this correctly?  They are charging 1500 just to take a boy off?  And then 1500-2000 for the boy after paying that fee?  In other words around 3000 baht for a short time off?  And that's after paying for drinks and "drink for boy"?  For me, that's not no, but hell no! 
The prices some of these bars, including Pattaya and Bangkok, are coming up with these days are unheard of and, in my opinion, just crazy.  Maybe some people are willing to pay those kinds of prices, but not me.
I'll stick with the apps.

Yes, that would be my claim.  I would not go higher than 1500 for short time and the boy would have to be quite spectacular to get me to give him that much.  I realize that many going to Thailand for a 1 or 2 week holiday are willing to spend more to get what they came for, but there are limits.  1500 would be mine.  That is speaking for myself.  If others are willing to pay more and have different limits, that's their decision.
As for me, if bars really are charging those kinds of prices and the boys want 1500+, they're going to have to offer much more and a lot better than the same as they've been offering for the last 20 years. 
 
"I never get lucky with sex.  For me, a threesome is jerking off with both hands."
-  Rodney Dangerfield

Yes, that would be my claim.  I would not go higher than 1500 for short time and the boy would have to be quite spectacular to get me to give him that much.  I realize that many going to Thailand for a 1 or 2 week holiday are willing to spend more to get what they came for, but there are limits.  1500 would be mine.  That is speaking for myself.  If others are willing to pay more and have different limits, that's their decision.
As for me, if bars really are charging those kinds of prices and the boys want 1500+, they're going to have to offer much more and a lot better than the same as they've been offering for the last 20 years. 
 
"I never get lucky with sex.  For me, a threesome is jerking off with both hands."
-  Rodney Dangerfield

Am I reading this correctly?  They are charging 1500 just to take a boy off?  And then 1500-2000 for the boy after paying that fee?  In other words around 3000 baht for a short time off?  And that's after paying for drinks and "drink for boy"?  For me, that's not no, but hell no! 
The prices some of these bars, including Pattaya and Bangkok, are coming up with these days are unheard of and, in my opinion, just crazy.  Maybe some people are willing to pay those kinds of prices, but not me.
I'll stick with the apps.

Am I reading this correctly?  They are charging 1500 just to take a boy off?  And then 1500-2000 for the boy after paying that fee?  In other words around 3000 baht for a short time off?  And that's after paying for drinks and "drink for boy"?  For me, that's not no, but hell no! 
The prices some of these bars, including Pattaya and Bangkok, are coming up with these days are unheard of and, in my opinion, just crazy.  Maybe some people are willing to pay those kinds of prices, but not me.
I'll stick with the apps.