Mavica

This kind of relationship which are not based on true love mostly can't survive too long because there is always the risk that the Thai boy will find wealthier farang ,or the older farang will find more attractive, younger or prettier Thai boy.

Received this photo today from KK Massage (the same outfit that operates K-Man Spa in Saphan Kwai). It boasts a large stable of guys from twinks to hunks. Although its location is more out of the way than K-Man, I believe it can be reached by BTS / MRT.

If I was lucky enough to book this guy, think I'd spent a good portion of the time massaging him. 😉
For more pics, check out KK's Twitter site.

Not for the nightlife and bars? I feel most of us on this forum will disagree with this article about reasons to visit Thailand... 😂🤣
 
Prominent Thai doctors against extended nightlife closing times, claim tourists don’t come to Thailand to party and nightlife but for beaches and temples...
Thailand – Prominent Thai doctors have warned about the proposal of a 4:00 A.M. closing time extension for nightlife venues in tourist zones which will cause more road deaths, crime, and personal accidents as there is more time to drink alcohol, according to them.
Doctor Taejing Siripanich, a secretary of the Don’t Drive Drunk Foundation has given his view about the plan, “The 4:00 A.M. extension plan cannot definitely guarantee about boosting the economy. On the other hand, this might have to be an exchange with health and people’s safety.”
“I believe that foreign tourists come to Thailand not because of nightclubs, drinking, and partying. Most of them want to come here because of natural and cultural tourism places like beaches, parks, traditional Thai culture, and temples. 
Full story: https://thepattayanews.com/2022/08/20/prominent-thai-doctors-against-extended-nightlife-closing-times-claim-tourists-dont-come-to-thailand-to-party-but-for-beaches-and-temples/ 

I'm kind of shy......😇

Is it an illness, or are you just shy?

As a rare visitor to Pattaya, I have not even been to Jomtien Complex other to have dinner at nearby Dick's Cafe. But I do recall a great many years of visiting the gay gogo and beer bars in Bangkok. Thinking back, rarely did I ever see an individual or a small group of expat friends chat to others outside their circle. We expats were there to see the boys dancing and the shows, not to interact with foreigners we had never seen before. If I wanted to chat with someone, I'd much rather it was with a cute Thai young man!
I used to happily walk through Soi Twilight or Silom Soi 4 without a care in the world that people might be watching me, let alone "judging" me. They were there for the same reason I was. Besides I was watching them! Why should I be concerned about them watching me?
Why would I want to go to a beer bar and chat with a foreigner? If I were to look at my phone, it would be to check something or respond to a message or email. That's not being anti-social! And I for one do not believe that failure to make contact with another farang in a Thai beer bar has anything to do with being an introvert or an extrovert. Just my view.

Whatever the personality problem we may have, we are too old to change it.  So just live with it.  Let it be.

specially sober types, drunks don't have it

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

A substantial age difference, coupled with cultural/language differences can be a prescription for disagreement and disappointment all-around.  I'll suggest that relatively few such relationships survive any length of time.  But, yes, there are those that do work - daddy/son - and financial and emotional security will almost always be the reasons - for the younger of the two and the financial support the farang will provide the younger man's family.  "Love", well, it's subjectively defined.  Many "straight" relationships are no different.  Money and other security is the glue that binds.  And, yes, each of us ... both sides of the relationship - take what we can for our own reasons.  Hopefully, we do this without abuse of any sort.

in small quantities is dangerous indeed but heavy drinking helps to keep one slim as it suppresses an  appetite and drains money available for food 

Yes I have had Covid twice in the last 8 months so I'm hoping it's a connection and not HPV,in the last month I have taken antibiotics doxycycline without success and now on Cilicaine VK...
I'm just hoping it's not HPV .
I sucked a lot of dicks in the last few months, really deep throated a few and swallowed precum and a lot of young straight guys and one enormous young half Filipino  arabic guy who was a straight 19yo I met in a gym in Cebu who had his girlfriend outside whilst he mouth fucked me in the toilets ,some if them really throat fucked me and I tried deep throat but I also rimmed a lot of young guys .
 
 

I'm sorry to read about your health concerns. 😞
But... by now we really already know you sucked a lot of dicks on your trip. 🍆 You've written it already a few times here on the forum. How many times are you going to post it? Waiting for someone to give you an award for sucking so many dicks and rimming so many asses? 🍑 Hahaha. 🤣
Personally I'm more a quality than a quantity guy. But everybody is different. 

Great story, just shows what a little trust, patience and kindness can achieve  
 

(part 13) The story of 2 unfriendly boyfriends
It was a rainy night in Jomtien Complex. Rain wasn't heavy but non-stop for hours. Most bars in the soi were empty. Many boys didn't bother showing up for work and pickings were slim.
Wet and cool weather put me in the mood for a massage, so I put up my umbrella and checked out the nearby places. I saw no one at Soda but there were 2 boys standing in front of No. 1 Massage, both of whom I never saw before. Both are cute in different ways.
The shorter one was medium-built with a cute face and poreless complexion. The taller one has a slim, taut body and big eyes. While I was approaching, Taller threw a cold glance in my direction then walked away. Not a friendly way of greeting potential customers. Shorter stayed put but didn't look any friendlier, avoiding eye contact as much as he could. 
Normally, I would give it a pass and look somewhere else as friendliness rates very high in my book. But the rain didn't give me much choice and boy was my type. So I stopped and said hello. Fortunately, Shorter's English is quite good (would be hard to try Google translation outdoor in that weather) and he himself was talkative.
His name is S, 25 years old, from somewhere near Bangkok. Today was his first day working in No. 1 Massage but no customers because of the weather.
"How much do you want for a massage with happy ending?" "1200, but no sex" 
What, do we have other kinds of happy ending that do not involve sex? 
Turned out by "sex" he meant anal f*cking. He can kiss, suck and chuckwow. That worked for me. So I asked him to go with me to my hotel. 
"No, I only do it in the shop. I don't go customer's place."
It was only around 11pm something but his shop already closed due to lack of business. It looked like we can't do it that night.
"How about the other boy? The one who was with you just before now. Does he go to customer's place?" 
"He's my boyfriend and he's same same. No go outside" 
Interesting, what he just said reminds me of Boy No 6 and his boyfriend (reported in parts 8 and 10) who have been working in the same go-go bar in Bangkok and who doesn't mind the other going with customers.
Anyway, that doesn't solve the problem at hand. 
"Look, my hotel is right there" I point in the direction of Agate, which is literally 20 meters from where we was standing. "You have nothing to be afraid of." 
S looked unsure. I think he really could use a customer that rainy night but the idea of venturing outside the safety of his shop somehow scared him. So we stood there for ten more minutes in the rain while S debated the pros and cons.
He talked to another co-worker in Thai, then made a call to (later he told me) his boyfriend. Finally, he said "Ok, I can go. But promise me you don't try to fuck me in the room."
Do I look like that desperate rapist, who wouldn't even spare a goat???
Inside my room, things got much better as I usually have a way of putting people at ease and and making them open up. S started working on my legs and back, while telling me about his relationship.
His boyfriend is 3 years younger than him at 22, and they've been together for nearly 5 years. Impressive. It looks like their relationship is going strong (No 26 and his boyfriend been together for only about 6 months). That long time also means it's easier for them to handle a sexually open relationship. 
S has been doing massage job for almost 2 years. He and his boyfriend made a deal: they can do almost everything with customers but no fucking either way. S is bottom and his boyfriend (who started the relationship with S when he was barely 18) is the only one who can f*ck him.
That's why he didn't do out-call lest a customer force him to do something he's not willing to. 
"Then why you go with me?" 
"Because you don't look like a bad person" (by "bad" I think he meant "goat rapist") 
"and farang customers are big" 
I think I can connect the dots. I have the same body type as his boyfriend, smaller than his so he thinks he could handle me if things go rough  
Still, when S jumped on top of me for the after-massage part, he checked again "Promise you won't try to fuck me" Something must have happened in his "massage career" for him to be that careful.
I just rolled my eyes. What could I do? He was even on top of me. Unless he tries to sit on my flag...
Anyway, S kept his end of the deal. He did everything else, vigorously. Sucking, kissing (very much into kissing), jerking off (he came all over my body) and more importantly, he did it with feeling. I feel we really connected that night. I also kept my end of the deal of doing nothing around his bottom area although my other end kinda hoped that S would sit on it.
It was just an okay massage but with a very happy ending. Later, we showered together and he touched the hickey he left near my collar bone, smiling and saying "Sorry". He could be sweet if he wants to.
"Don't worry, I won't show it to your boyfriend." 
Speaking of whom, I checked with S if I can also do his boyfriend. Actually I enquire if I can engage his boyfriend's professional service as a masseur at an appropriate time in the future. 
"Yes, but he is not friendly" When an unfriendly person claims that another person is not friendly, that's saying something, isn't it?
"Well, I can tell. Before he looked like he wanted to kill me." 
S laughed and gave me his boyfriend's contact. They share a rented room right there in Jomtien complex so they should be available anytime. 
Staying true to himself, S was back to being cold and distant the several times I walked by the massage shop in the next few days. I never saw him greet a customer, eyes always glued on his phone, avoiding all eye contact. He never noticed me if I didn't call out his name and when he did, didn't even acknowledge it with a smile. Does he really expect customers to pick him just based on cuteness?
Since then I was a bit worried about how things would go with S's even unfriendlier boyfriend. We made arrangements to meet at the hotel lobby a few nights later. Throughout the awkward silence of the ride up in the elevator, I kept thinking "Was it a mistake to do this?" 
Once in the room, he silently stripped down to his underwear and all my wistful thinking went out of the window. His body looked exactly my type (S was a bit too chubby for my taste but he had a cuter face to make up for it). So I decided I'm gonna just enjoy his massage and his body despite the apparent lack of connection.  
Then I noticed he fumbled around, trying to open a bottle of oil massage with slightly trembling hands. 
"Are you nervous?" 
"Yes, my first time in hotel. We don't go hotel before"
Then I remembered seeing his profile pictures wearing all Uniqlo clothes. 
"Do you like Uniqlo?" 
His face brightened at the mentioning of his favorite brand. "Yes, very much" 
"Me too. Big fan. Half of my clothes are Uniqlo"
I even got up, opened my suitcase and showed him my collection of Uniqlo apparel. Now he truly smiled. The ice was broken. 
Boyfriend of S's English wasn't as good as that of S, but he survived simple conversations. Again, we talked about his relationship. They met online in a game, got talking and fell in love after just one month, and been together since. They were both from poor families, so still have to support their parents back home. They shared all the money they made but didn't make quite enough so if S's mom gets the money this month, Boyfriend's mom would receive money the next.
Unlike S, Boyfriend kept his underwear on the whole time he was doing my back. When it was time for me to turn around, I felt he was warmed up enough so told him to take off his underwear. 
To my surprise, something already stood at attention, saluting me. I think I found the friendliest part of his body.
Understandably, things just got better, even better than with S, because Boyfriend was more of my type. Like S, he was also very much into kissing. His cock is shorter but much thicker than that of S - this couple really complement each other in many ways (except for the friendliness part). 
I think I know what you guys are now thinking. S would do a threesome, a four-hand massage with another boy but not with his boyfriend. Boyfriend wouldn't do any kind of threesome. I'm sure I want to do them both, but not at the same time. So we were all good.
Although Boyfriend remained very hard throughout, he couldn't cum because he already came earlier during the day with his boyfriend (I was his only customer of the day). After, we also showered together for an amount of time inordinate for a normal rinse-off. We kinda played in the shower. Every time I saw his cock starting to get soft, I gave it a nudge and it was instantly back to a greeting position. And its owner, the unfriendly, cold and distant Boyfriend of S, kept giggling at the exuberance and friendliness of his cock, showing no sign of wanting to get out of the shower.
Once we were done and said goodbye, Boyfriend gave me a hug (S gave me a hug and a lingering kiss on the lip so I think he still wins the friendliness competition), I gave his cock a final nudge and voilà - he left the room with a noticeable bulge in his loose pants. 
A minute later, Boyfriend sent me a smiling blushing emoticon through Line without any words. I checked if he was still hard. "Yes". I asked if he wanted me to come downstairs and make it bigger again. He replied with 5555. So much for being unfriendly huh.
(to be continued)

Twinks have cocks too and know how to use them rather well 

Perhaps I was too quick to say Congress was at least too much to blame  - even though I do think they were very shortsighted re: funding for Jynneos and other MCMs.

The Biden admin absolutely have poorly played the imperfect hand they were dealt.