[Cambodian mystery and Thai solution - first trip of 2023]

"I wouldn't forgive myself if I did not try in this case", well everything is said, you really really like him... despite the red flags his behavior has risen.

You are smart enough to have some escape options, "in case of" and you will quickly see in PP if his behavior is acceptable or not for you. Maybe the question you may ask yourself is what you are ready to accept from him when you will be together (not been seen together when hanging out...?).

Maybe all of this says a little about what kind of boy you are now attracted by 🙂. Obviously not by the sweet caring asian boy acting like a boyfriend...  this one is clearly not this kind of MB... Be ready for this...(and keep an eye on your money spendings)

[If you happen to be on the LOS during Songkran,]

35 minutes ago, paulsf said:

I’ve been in Bangkok for many Songkran’s .  I’ve always had a great time.  I read many times all the boys go home. May be true for many Thai hoys , but there are so many non Thai working guys places usually still have a full working staff.    I’m a city person so crowds and traffic don’t bother me, but I do have friends that don’t enjoy it and leave for a week.    The crowds tend to be centered in certain areas, so easy to avoid if you want.   Will you get wet? Probably.  But it’s so hot you dry fast.    Find a hot, wet , shirtless guy to take back to your hotel and help you shower.  Can be fun.   🥵
I live in South Florida so heat is the same for  me, home or in Bangkok.  Not an issue.  Again I have friends that don’t like the heat and avoid it.  
It all comes down to your personal tastes.    It will be, Hot, crowded, and wet.    There also will be a lot of hot working guys looking to make some baht for a week of partying.    

Many non-Thai boys also go back home. Songkran is New Year when families gathered. For many boys from Laos or Cambodia this is sometimes the only period in the year they go back home to pay respect to the elderly members of the family.

I will follow the boys and fly to Siem Reap Cambodia...

Vinapu: yes, you know which boy I will follow 😉 

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1 hour ago, vinapu said:

why would you laugh ? I'd find it disrespectful . Just counteroffer without any grimaces

sorry for repeating floridarob thesis but I posted before I read that post  

Really no. In Thailand a candid laugh is never disrespectful.  Sure you know. They always laugh about everything. And as bargaining is a game, a little laugh is always welcomed.  The boy usually get that you understand the game. Of course, if I offer 400 only, my cheap-Charlie laugh will not be really welcomed...

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1 hour ago, floridarob said:

I don't think laughing is being respectful.....???

 

 

There is no country like Thailand where people laugh about everything. Listen to the boys.  They laugh about everybody. They laugh about themselves.  Do never get angry, laugh. I am speaking about a candid laugh...😆

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25 minutes ago, forky123 said:

I don’t bargain usually. Either the price they ask is what I’m willing to pay or I move on. I always feel that someone I’ve agreed is worth what they ask is likely to give me a better time than someone I’ve haggled with to the nth degree. Works for me and still a fraction of what I would pay here. 

"I’ve haggled with to the nth degree"

Haha maybe you get confused and practice the arabic bargaining in Thailand ?

Bargain in the Blue Market of Sharjah takes 2 or 3 hours for a quality carpet.

With a massage boy in Bangkok, for massage+sex the Thai bargain is just : he gives you his price (2000), you laugh and offer less (1000), he lowers his first offer (1500) and you are supposed to accept or leave. And that's it !! That's the game. Easy, short and everybody is happy !

 

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12 minutes ago, floridarob said:

Bowing down or how exactly is with respect, lol

Thats funny because i have quite never seen a farang bowing correctly (i avoid to bow, very hard to do it correctly). Always funny to see a farang bowing too little, not moving the head, like an Indian. Or bowing really too much, with the hands too high on the face, in front of a boy like if this boy was the Grand Priest of the Royal Temple of Phra Kaew !!

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1 minute ago, floridarob said:

Kind of funny, when I bargain, I'm called a cheap charlie 🤨

you must bargain with respect... 

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36 minutes ago, alvnv said:

Price negotiation (bargaining, haggling) is a big part of some cultures, where it’s considered an art - not trickery, and is often expected in transactional activities. As much as I, personally, do not like it (and clearly, am quite bad at it), when in Rome, I try not to bring my big, colonialist hat with me.

 

If you don't bargain (a little) it means you do not try to understand that some cultures and different. In Arab countries, not willing to bargain is very disrespectful... unless you are an American (Americans are well known to understand nothing that is not american, so no offense, not their fault, just lack of education)...

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4 minutes ago, young11 said:

Regarding the tips, I didn't wanna start a long discussion because we will never reach a consensus here. The reason is that our benchmark is very different for every person and the market is always changing. Also many people who paid less will not reveal what they paid because they get called cheap2charlie. So the information on this forum can be very tilted in terms of the actual pay. That's why I kept the tip part short in my review.

If you ask me, compared to well established places in Bangkok, I felt like Pattaya was expensive. The min tip used to be 700 to 1500 in Bangkok before pandemic. I still found it expensive because my type is hard to find in Thailand. But I never hired after the pandemic in Bangkok so I wouldn't know the market. As far as I see from one place that has its min tip public, it is still 700 in Bangkok...so Pattaya should be lower because the cost of living in Pattaya is lower for the boys. 

But when I hired this time in Pattaya, it was a busy touristy season (Jan after opening from pandemic) so I don't know how the market was. If there are so many tourists who are willing to pay 1500 for extra ( full service) then yes the market is different and the boys won't accept lower amounts because another customer can give them that amount. But I doubt that amount would last after February. I know 1500 as a tip is high because the top boys offer the same thing on the app for 1500 or even lower. Much better experience because you do it at your home instead of the massage place and you agree on what you would do in advance etc but you can't control much in the massage place. I had one guy who offered me 1000 massage and full service and he wanted to come to me every night, even by missing his work shift. When I asked for threesome he easily found another guy for 1000 to join. I didn't like that guy because he had hard time getting hard so I didn't hire them again but they still wanted to meet again for the same amount. I asked a few more guys on the app, most will offer 1500 but they will immediately lower it when you say not interested. I never like this sort of negotiation so even if they offer a lower price I never hire them. I only hire boys who offer the right price initially and stick to it. They are the smart one and easy to deal with. Boys who negotiate prices are tricky and difficult to deal with but that's just me. Overall in Pattaya I had many offers for 1000 to 1200 on the app for full service but none of them were attractive enoughOverall in Pattaya I had many offers for 1000 to 1200 on the app for full service but none of them were attractive enough to devote my time and money. I asked their price just to know the market. So in my opinion if you are tipping 1500 at a massage place in Pattaya and think the others who pay less are cheap2charlie, you might be just overpaying and inflating the market...

finally I compare the rates to different places in the world. In Vietnam and Cambodia you pay far less than Thailand. But the guys are hotter... Those places are hard to find because not much information is available online. Now if I compare the rates in Pattaya to Colombia and Brazil, Thai boys are really overpriced but that might be just my type problem so I kept my comment on tips short...

Fully agree.  As you say "Overall in Pattaya I had many offers for 1000 to 1200 on the app for full service but none of them were attractive enough". Less than 1500 is only with non attractive guys. This is why I pay 1500 to catch the good ones 😆🤣.

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54 minutes ago, gayinpattaya said:

I know of a Soda massage boy who, out of work hours, offers blowjobs (no anal) for 500 baht. That's his rate. And he is one of the most attractive there. 
Some boys know how to work, and make a lot of money doing it. 
Other boys will wait around all day/night for the 1 customer who will give them 1500 short time. (bar boys/freelancers) 


 

Exactly. 500 is ok for massage with hand job.

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1 hour ago, Finnseventy said:

Ok Marc, I guess I won't be going to Pattaya for a massage any time soon, I'll stick to Jomtien! 

I don't know what you mean by a "full extra service", I was referring to a massage with a happy ending.

A few thoughts or anecdotes...

On my last visit to Soda massage in January, as I was waiting with my masseur for change from the cashier after the massage, I asked him about the whiteboard on the wall near the till. It showed each boys name, in Thai, with a tick for each massage that day, so that the cashier could give them their share of the 300 baht massage fee at the end of the day. It was late in the day and, with a smile, he pointed out his name, explaining that the second tick was for me, his second customer. I took the smile to mean he was happy to have had a second customer (Sorry 12is12, I believe the smiles). The whiteboard had more than a dozen names, One was marked as "off", most had two ticks and a couple had three. I mention this because it may be one explanation for the high tips sought by the masseurs in Pattaya. Perhaps they don't have many customers, and they are determined to milk as big a tip as possible from the occasional one who succumbs?

Last summer I spent a long holiday in Jomtien. I decided that a daily, post-exercise, massage in my apartment would be a nice addition to my routine. I spoke to some of the masseurs I had come to know, asking if they knew someone who would be willing to provide the service for 500 baht. To my surprise, the three I asked from Soda massage all offered their services directly. These were traditional massages, with the masseur naked, sometimes with a happy ending. Clearly, if they were not happy with the tip they would have turned down the request. Two of these were slim twink types and the other an older guy who had been in the business for ten years.

One day I asked the older masseur what was the reality concerning tips. He felt comfortable enough to give me a very honest answer. He said that a normal tip was 300 baht and he was very happy if he got 500 baht, as that was a good tip. He also said that on a number of occasions, a customer had refused to pay him any tip, complaining that the massage was no good. He made it clear that he knew that this was just a ruse to avoid paying the tip. This had happened on a number of occasions with older retired farang, he said. I guess those customers really were cheap charlies!

Yes just massage 300. With limited happy ending blow job, hand job, 500. 

[First day in Bangkok]

19 minutes ago, Tartegogo said:

They do have several on hand from the moment they open (check their opening time on Google) and they are never super busy apparently.  
 

Not guaranteed to have exactly the guy you prefer if you just walk in tho. 
 

But they have photos on their Line accounts too and you can choose one and text them when you are coming and that you want that guy, they are keen and will make the effort to be there if you give a bit of advance notice. 

All these places strongly recommend booking in advance. Easy with Line.

It is a trend is this business : the boys don't belong exclusively to only one shop or are freelance MB.  Many stay at home, not far, and go to the shop only if booked.

Don't be surprise to have 5 boys available for walk-in customers in a shop that advertise "60 boys available"

[First day in Bangkok]

20 hours ago, Tartegogo said:

In my case it would need to be after 5 good sex sessions. Any less than that and hot guys kissing me in the neck will make me horny again. 

5 good sessions ??? May I recommend you to take less Cialis ? Maybe the 30mg pill is too strong for you. Try 10mg... 🤣🤣🤣

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2 minutes ago, Tartegogo said:

I am just gonna say they really, really, really want to get hired again when I walk by.
They text me on Line “will you come today to the spa, can I be your masseur again?”

If it wasn’t enough they wouldn’t bother with me and they’d let another masseur try to grab me.

It wasn't enough. This is why you are supposed to be back and tip again. 😆😆

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9 hours ago, 12is12 said:

"Seemed very happy with tip" is an oft-repeated phrase in threads here. 

I humbly submit they seem happy even when they r not.....

Yes you are right. If you tip well then they will show they are happy. If you tip badly then they are very disappointed but they will show they are happy not to loose face. "Not to loose face" is paramount. This is why here a smile means nothing in particular.

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13 hours ago, reader said:

I'm regularly in touch with three guys who work in massage shops on Silom Soi Six. The only customers they complain about are the lousy tippers and the occasional no tippers.

And as I mentioned before, they would rather have older clients because they tend to tip better and treat with greater respect than younger customers who tend to think they should get more for less.

Exactly what I wrote. Best customer for them : old farang who tip well and cum quickly, not long session. Easy money with good customer.

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7 minutes ago, forky123 said:

He probably has trouble reading it like all those who appreciate vowels. 

i understand nothing. nothing...

[Why don't we post Grindr profiles?]

I was guessing; what if the money boys had a website for them, where they post pictures of farangs customers, with comments about how the sessions had gone...

Would you be happy to find your face and body pictures (from Gindr or any app) in one of their forums  ? :

- "the bad cheap Charlie farangs who tip very little"

_ "the smelly customers, even after a hot shower" (boys often talk about it..)

- "the fat farangs who can't get hard but tip well" (the favorites for most of the boys)

- "the crazy farang who enjoy a long sex session, but paying for a short session"

-"the funny farangs who believe we are excited by their old body"

[Culmination of 3 year crush]

I feel little sad to read some of the comments here. To fall in love is beautiful, and should be respected.

Of course, considering the cultural gap between you and the boy, the relationship maybe different from a one you could have with another american guy. But if you feel deep love and if your boyfriend wants to stay with you because you take care of him, this can work perfectly (this is how many straight couples in Asia are living. The "romantic loving couple" is a very western culture way of living).

I would personnaly recommend you to be careful and spend as much time as you can with him in Thailand, before considering moving him to the US.

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2 hours ago, Finnseventy said:

I agree Tartegogo, and Nick was also a favourite of mine on my last trip. However, he is the opposite to what Young11 is looking for as he is a slim twink who gives a sensual, as opposed to a strong Thai, massage.

What surprised me when reading this thread is the relatively high tips being sought and, in some cases, received by the massage boys in Pattaya.

I normally tip 700 baht in the Jomtien Complex, increasing to 1,000 baht when the service exceeds expectations. As far as I could tell, the boys seemed very happy with this level of tipping. Am I missing something? Maybe I am a Cheap Charlie without realising it 🤔

At 700 bahts for a full extra service, you are certainly considered in all Pattaya as Cheap Cheap Charlie... 😁😁

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39 minutes ago, 12is12 said:

Gay, For the third time - NO PRIVATE INFO.

Peter, none of the providers I met in Thailand spoke English, let alone on a level enabling them to participate/post here.

 

So you believe they are unable to use Google Translate... ? Most of them are expert-level users, they can teach you how to use it !

[First day in Bangkok]

3 hours ago, Tartegogo said:

I agree, lesson learned, and I am not so annoyed by the whole experience any longer.

 
I still think, and I hope some of you will agree, that “karaoke” is the wrong word to describe “we are gonna give you kisses in the neck for 2 hours and make you rock hard so that you can go home and jerk off on your own”.😂
 

Unless you go there late, like the local, after a good sex session. So you just enjoy music, singing, and boys. "Have Sex before" is sometimes a good option for many late activities 😁😁

[Chang sha host club]

11 hours ago, vinapu said:

I'd go for Seed

Seed for sure +++

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5 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

All this interest in Grindr I find interesting because:

Recently, I was discussing with one of my Thai friends how we can increase their visibility (for marketing purposes) in the Pattaya / Jomtien gay falang community.  We noted that this type of marketing is done much better in the Bangkok gay falang community than it is here in Pattaya / Jomtien.  In fact, the masseurs are often marketed by the massage shops that they work in with individual profile names that include a QR code that allows for the end-user to obtain additional information and to make a direct booking.  

Below is an example from the K Man Spa shop where each masseur has his own distinct profile with his contact and booking details.               https://kmanspa.blogspot.com/p/kmanspa.html

Why doesn't this type of approach exist here in Jomtien / Pattaya ?

                

Together we designed some prototype business cards and web page prototypes and when we got to the various social media items to include - we were able to have a profile name for ALL of the various social media (Line, Facebook, Hornet, PlanetRomeo, Blued, Instagram, Twitter, Telegram, TikTok, Whatsapp, etc.), EXCEPT for Grindr - because Grindr does not contain a Profile Name and/or Profile ID - like Hornet and Line do.

So, Grindr was the anomaly and cannot be easily inserted into someone's desire to market themselves.

BTW Zack is a really good bottom boy 😁 I enjoyed him a lot...

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6 hours ago, zombie said:

Re Grindr what I would like to see more here is a discussion about the practice of lot of members on grindr  posting fake or fabricated profiles. Technology enables them to change their faces and bodies etc. and give more favorable usually false details about themselves such as age or weight and so on.

Now I know an answer to this is to meet in a neutral location first or to have a live video call before inviting them home; but I would be glad to hear how others cope with this.

No need to tell me that you have never had this problem. Whatever you say it is widespread on Grindr especially from MB's or those seeking benefits.

Ask for Line + Line video call.

It is also better for the boy because many farangs show old pics of them before they take 30 kg of body fat and they lie about their age...