vinapu Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Interesting comparison. And so is the life style of the two. Buffet lives rather modestly, while Trump... well, you know. Bill Gates does not throw his wealth around either, and he and Buffet are big philanthropist, while Trump... well, you know. so it looks that neither modesty nor philanthropy are not good way to climb to presidency. Masses like shine it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisD Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 The boy wanted 5000 Baht for one hour wow it's a new record in Pattaya. Its was for just one hour at that time, but he did not expect me to take it. He did not really want to be offed at that time. He preferred that we connect the next day via Line and arrange something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Its was for just one hour at that time, but he did not expect me to take it. He did not really want to be offed at that time. perhaps it was polite and face saving way of saying I'm not available tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy69 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 perhaps it was polite and face saving way of saying I'm not available tonight. It's an option but another option is that the boy is looking for wealthy clients or big spenders becuse attractive dancers receiving good salary from the bars and substantial tips from the clients so they won't go with falangs unless the fee is high . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vessey Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Thank you CurtisD, you have a very engaging writing style, I too am a fan of the At Home Bar - I think they are all Cambodian there and they certainly have some cute boys, but not all are gay. While in Boyztown were you not tempted to try Toy Boys, again a favourite of mine; their 'range' of boy types is very similar to that of Cupidol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CurtisD Posted January 20, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2018 The morning starts with the swimmer, back from a shower, rolling his toned body into mine with a dazzling smile. He has little 'moustache ends' at the corner of his mouth which accentuate his smile. However the best laid plans do not always play out. In this case delayed gratification lead to a pleasant time but no more than average despite goodwill on both sides. Sometimes things just do not click. He is happy with the tip, which I guess to be about average Pattaya long time and this tells me that humorous guy has not told his bar friends how much I gave him. After a morning by the pool thelimopattaya arrive on time for the trip back to Bangkok. I am very sorry to be leaving with so much left to do, but that means there is a future trip to look forward to. In Bangkok I do some light gift shopping and spend a few hours at the hotel pool. Bangkok guy and I had agreed to meet at 9pm, but that was almost a week ago and who knows what has happened in his world in that time that might distract him from an appointment with someone whose contact details he does not have. At around 8.40pm I take a seat in Maxis to sip a lime juice and watch the passing throng. From there I think I will probably see him arriving. By 9.45pm I have not seen him, so I go to the bar and ask mamasan if he has arrived. He checks, cannot find him, but no worry, he will call him, have a drink and look at other boys while you wait. Five minutes later a big smile, boy was at gym, he on way now, maybe you want a second boy? Ever the pitchman. Bangkok boy arrives a few minutes later with a smile a mile wide and no indication that he should have been any earlier, but with that smile who cares about pernickety details of time. He choses a place for dinner (The Papaya) and also the food, which is very good. After eating I am a little tired and so we shelve plans to visit a jazz bar and go to the hotel. He is again a real pleasure in bed and we sleep soundly, entwined. The morning is the surprise. He told me the first time we met that he usually slept until afternoon. This morning, as I have no plans except the pool and he has no plans except to be with me and later the gym, he proceeds to sleep until around 1pm. Initially I am nonplussed with the sweet immovable lump next to me. I am usually awake with the dawn and if I am in bed beyond 9am something is wrong. But today all I would be doing is lying by the pool, so why not go with the flow and lye with him. He is very cuddly and we drift through the morning on a soft wave of semi-sleep, his unflagging morning wood a tantalizing promise of what might come once his mind catches up with his body. Around one in the afternoon he stretches, begins to massage my scalp and this promise is more than fulfilled. Vessey, Alexx, ChristianPFC and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Thank you CurtisD, you have a very engaging writing style, +1 I like that phrase ' sweet immovable lump ' in the post above and can imagine what pleasure would be to try to move it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianPFC Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 While in Boyztown were you not tempted to try Toy Boys, again a favourite of mine; their 'range' of boy types is very similar to that of Cupidol. I will avoid Toy Boys in the future for two reasons: They put the cute guys outside to attract customers in, but the cute guys never appear on stage, a practice I dislike. Two weeks ago I exchanged contact details with one of them, really my type, and contacted him for evening fun right after my arrival in Pattaya some days ago. He did ask for 1500 for 1 hour, I countered with 1000, and neither of us would budge. From that I assume that boys in Toy Boys expect 1500 as well, which I'm not going to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy69 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It's very hard to find currently boys for ST on 1000 at Pattaya especially if the boy is attractive and works at a bar.It seems 1500 is the standard rate . Vessey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Toy Boys have tended to ask for more than some others in recent years. Due to a combination of that & the problem Christian describes above, I have not offed from there for a while. One of my friends also had enough of them bring below average in bed too. Admittedly that's based on 1-2 boys per trip. As for the tips, I have not yet paid more than 1300 short time in Pattaya. Not a single lad asked for more on my most recent trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travellerdave Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Thinking back to my September trip I seem to remember ST at 1300 at the Complex bars, but I’m sure I paid 1500 to two boys that were very attractive. The first was a cute GR contact of which I posted a picture and the second was from a bar and he deserved it cos I cummed when I topped him, which is not usual for me and I’m usually more bottom these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex303 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 The infamous Toyboys 'menu' has also helped push up Tip aspirations for ST in that particular bar...did not off anyone from there at all last time though because I didn't see anyone that got me excited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CurtisD Posted January 21, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2018 The next several days fall into a pleasant repeating rhythm as I decide to stay with Bangkok guy and not butterfly. We sleep until around 12.30-1pm and then make love as his mind moves into daylight time. We leave the hotel room in the early to mid afternoon, him to run errands, see friends and go to the gym; me for occasional light shopping but mainly to swim and read by the pool. In the evening we meet for dinner, Thai and his choice with one exception, and then go on to a bar or club or jazz, returning to the hotel in the early hours of the morning. Partly in response to the language gap (imperfect English and no Thai) we develop an eye-contact-and-hand-signal code to rate things and our inclination to stay or go. Use eye contact to indicate the subject in question - the band, the show, a cocktail, food, the place we are in - and touch the head if it is good, the chest if ok, the abdomen if bad and lower anatomy if it really sucks. Partly it works and partly it's just silly fun. Vertigo, our one exception to Thai dining, scores heads for the view and the ambience and a chest to an abdomen for the food. The food score reflects our preference for Thai food, particularly on his part. When I ask why he is playing with his soup he says it is baby food - it is typical European pureed soup compared to clear Thai soup with recognizable ingredients. Score one to Thai cuisine. 360 at the Millennium scores heads all round - the band, the evening view of duckling-chains of barges following their tugs up the river in front of the illuminated hotels on the opposite bank and the friendly staff who are happy to help him find the best mocktail. Like every guy I have been with on this trip and most previous ones, he really does not like alcohol. Despite the aversion to alcohol, Vespers bar in Soi Convent scores a full set of heads - ambience, great mixology and presentation of cocktails and truly friendly and helpful staff. Well, except for one cocktail. We both really like the place and the staff are very engaged helping him find a cocktail that a non-drinker will like. They come up with a blend of a Thai coconut liquor and pineapple juice which even I think tastes good without being too sweet and which Bangkok guy additionally likes because you cannot detect the alcohol and also, I suspect, because it has Thai content. The trouble comes on our next visit when, lulled into a false sense of security, we order from the very well presented cocktail list without much consultation. His cocktail arrives in a china teacup inside a small wicker basket with fresh strawberries. He is enchanted and carefully photographs it to post on social media. He takes a sip, looks at me, then at the drink and puts his free hand firmly on his crotch. For me, it is a great cocktail, with a normal amount of raw alcohol coming through, but that burn of alcohol is way too much for him. We go to Jupiter 2018 to see the show and to allow me to satisfy my curiosity as to whether or not the guys 'left on the rank' last week really were the tail end of an amazingly hot group. The dancers are all very gym-toned but seeing the whole group creates no additional excitement for me as the guy who is most to my liking turns out to be one of the guys left on the rank last week, #23. The show is very well staged but we do not stay for the entire performance as I had been expecting an actual show and this is more a series of well staged numbers to present the guys to best advantage, in which it succeeds. If I was considering an off it would engage me as a hot display, but as an actual show it does not stand up to Castro. I brought the wrong expectations. The last day Bangkok guy spends the afternoon with me at the pool, looking very fetching in speedos. He selects the most shaded spot under a big awning and when he is not swimming covers himself in both a robe and a towel to maintain his pale complexion. He is also grateful for my SPF 50 sun screen. And now we part and I know I will miss him. All relationships are transactional, it is the contours of the transaction which differ. With butterflying the short-term and financial nature of the transaction is most clear. With my preference for staying with someone if they are a good fit, things get blurrier on both sides, with the ever-present risk of crossing over into unrealistic expectations of both support and of feeling. When I butterfly, the agreement is the agreement. After spending several days with someone, getting to know them, their aspirations, enjoying their company, liking them, I feeling treating the agreement as the agreement is a bit impersonal and like to do something a bit more for them, within the bounds of friendship, without over-stepping the bounds of the realistic. I give Bangkok guy an envelope marked 'for your studies' which contains an amount that, when added to the regular off fees, will cover a little over half of his course costs. I hope he is serious about this. I think he is and, if he is, he will not be the first guy I have known to complete his studies and move on to a professional career. traveller123, Alexx, khaolakguy and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reader Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Great report on all counts. You sensed you had the right guy to spend some quality time with. It's clear you won't soon be forgetting him or he you. Loved the hand signal routine you guys worked out. LOL. vinapu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanan Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It's very hard to find currently boys for ST on 1000 at Pattaya especially if the boy is attractive and works at a bar.It seems 1500 is the standard rate . Not at all. 1000 is still the going rate in most bars in Pattaya and even if the boy initially asks for more they most often accept 1000. I've never had anyone of the boys on stage in Toy boys refusing 1000 too. The exception are the straight hunks shirtless and in jeans outside Toy boys, they seem to insist on 1500 yes and I dont think they have problems finding willing customers for that price. JimmyJoe and ChristianPFC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisD Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Thank you CurtisD, you have a very engaging writing style, I too am a fan of the At Home Bar - I think they are all Cambodian there and they certainly have some cute boys, but not all are gay. While in Boyztown were you not tempted to try Toy Boys, again a favourite of mine; their 'range' of boy types is very similar to that of Cupidol. I visited Toys Boys twice, initially on my first night in Boystown when all the bars were disappointing and then briefly on the final night when, arriving around 1am I notice an attractive guy outside but, inside the bar only four guys and not as attractive as the guy outside, so I did not stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1000 is still the going rate in most bars in Pattaya and even if the boy initially asks for more they most often accept 1000. I've never had anyone of the boys on stage in Toy boys refusing 1000 too. The exception are the straight hunks shirtless and in jeans outside Toy boys, they seem to insist on 1500 yes and I dont think they have problems finding willing customers for that price. I'm not short time offer but I think you are right, on my last trip I had few guys who wanted 1500 - 2000 for long time ( there were also few who wanted 4000, LOL ) so 1000 must still be going rate. As for Toy Boys , one I had in Sept wanted and got 2000 for long time, worst spent 2000 that trip. Lack of chemistry. Year before another boy there wanted 1500 for short time but it was two of us offing him so I guess he wanted premium pay for premium audience ( we converted it to 2000 LT ) What puzzles me are those supposed hunks outside, there are always several boys but can't recall even one I'd classify as hunk worth trouble offing, l count my blessings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The next several days fall into a pleasant repeating rhythm as I decide to stay with Bangkok guy and not butterfly. I understand your reasoning , I used to butterfly religiously but in time I noticed that it may be more productive to say with and enjoy known quality as long as boy feels the same. Ever since boys previously offed I was happy with have priority access to my tip fund. Great report , thank you very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vessey Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 And now we part and I know I will miss him. All relationships are transactional, it is the contours of the transaction which differ. With butterflying the short-term and financial nature of the transaction is most clear. With my preference for staying with someone if they are a good fit, things get blurrier on both sides, with the ever-present risk of crossing over into unrealistic expectations of both support and of feeling. When I butterfly, the agreement is the agreement. After spending several days with someone, getting to know them, their aspirations, enjoying their company, liking them, I feeling treating the agreement as the agreement is a bit impersonal and like to do something a bit more for them, within the bounds of friendship, without over-stepping the bounds of the realistic. Well said, I echo so much of that, and not just with the boy that stays several days, but also the boy who becomes a 'regular' who I will perhaps see several times during a trip and sometimes then from one trip to the next. Yes it is still fundamentally remains a business transaction, but you also get to know each other, find out more about the boys background, family, interests; you can become friendly, and occasionally actual friends. The sex of a short-time can be passionate, but it is mostly about lust, about wanting, about scratching that itch. But, as you say, sex over several days, or sex with a regular can become more loving, more fulfilling. I even try to be more discrete about the money, placing it under their watch or phone for example, easily visible, but avoiding the placing of money directly into their hands. Nevertheless it remains what it is, and I suspect that it is probably more about my emotional needs as theirs. halfhansum, santosh108, reader and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Not at all. 1000 is still the going rate in most bars in Pattaya and even if the boy initially asks for more they most often accept 1000. I've never had anyone of the boys on stage in Toy boys refusing 1000 too. A good reminder that any high quoted price in a bar is to be regarded as negotiable. Just because they ask for 1500 short time, it most certainly does not mean that's the going rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinapu Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Yes it is still fundamentally remains a business transaction........ , ........ I suspect that it is probably more about my emotional needs as theirs. nothing wrong with that , going to our favorite restaurant , having a seat our our choice and meal we always salivate thinking about is fundamentally business transaction but still brings lots of joy. fair trade , satisfying our emotional needs by helping them to ease of their economical ones Vessey and DivineMadman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggobkk Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The ending of your journey's report, CurtisD, is an exceptional as your earlier postings. I sensed there was room to breathe and relax for you. I perceived a minor chord that plays out in many of my visits where I spend the overnights next to one regular - even if they day is spent as a butterfly. During my last two visits, he and I didn't discuss $$$. A the departure time approached, I placed an envelope with his things. When he sees it, he says thanks, doesn't open it, and puts it away. CurtisD, I hope you return soon to posting in the forum about your travels and approach to life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisD Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 Vessey: "I even try to be more discrete about the money, placing it under their watch or phone for example, easily visible, but avoiding the placing of money directly into their hands. Nevertheless it remains what it is, and I suspect that it is probably more about my emotional needs as theirs" I would think the guys notice the gesture, understand you are giving them greater recognition and appreciate it. (Apologies, I have not got the hang of the MultiQuote) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a447a Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I even try to be more discrete about the money, ....Same here. I quietly slip it into their jeans pocket or their hands just before they walk out the door. It's the slightly embarrassing part of the encounter for some guys so it's best to be as discrete as possible. Obviously, there's no disguising the transaction, but it makes it easier. Growing up in Japan we never handed money directly to others unless they were family or close friends; it was always put in an envelope or wrapped in a piece of paper. Shop assistants always have a tray by the register where you place your money and where any change is placed. I see they do that in many places in Thailand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokopelli Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Am I weird, I just hand them the money! ChristianPFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
