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Bangkok/Yangon/Bagan/Mandalay Trip Report: Playing With Fire

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Just catching up:

 

It is fine to eat nearly constantly and a lot, as long as it is the right kind of food. Maybe BurBoy eats little junk food (even if he drinks this "palm sugar juice"?). It seems that we undervalue and abuse the stomach more than other organs and throw in food like it can process everything. But if we treat it with some expertise it can function well all our life in a digestive system that keeps us at an optimum weight and in good health.

Its hard to watch what I eat when I am on holiday. The food experience is an integral part of touring for me, so I feel that the tour is not complete if I am not sampling the food, especially if it is my first time visiting. I watch what I eat the other times. And BurBoy does eat some junk food. Not sure if he does it everyday, but he does eat it a fair amount when with me (chocolate mostly).

 

After I came back, I was able to undo the damage I did on my diet this last trip. Ate a little better, slept a little longer, and exercised a little bit harder, was all I needed to undo it.

 

numazu - thank you for the wonderful photos - really enjoyed them - beautiful shots of the temples (and food)

your reports are more and more magic and enchanting every day passing, Thank you for a great work

agree 100%. Amazing report with great pictures, better than any travel guide book. Highlight are the stunning balloon ride pics.

Thanks. It's been a treat writing these, and discovering the photos I took again when I choose what to post. Myanmar is a photogenic country.

 

Who says that interactions between gays cannot be win-win ?

It's always win-win for me :).

 

"I’ve never had anyone I love give me something that caused cancer before. " I wouldn't look at it that way, as I'm sure he had no idea that this carcinogenic. Apart from that, even so it wouldn't matter. people offer others cigarettes all the time, a well known carcinogen. Some people make hte choice to consume these, and consuming it in limited quantities limits the risk as well. And consuming just ONE dose (just to try it once, like in this instance with the betel) certainly poses ZEO cancer risk.

 

And regarding the pictures with the red teeth: in times bygone in this region such teeth were actually a beauty ideal, and visiting Europeans with their white teeth were seen as very odd.

Yes I am sure BurBoy has no idea that that chewing betel causes cancer. He was just sharing part of his culture with me, as he had for the whole trip. I didn't like my first and only foray into betel nut chewing, so doubt I will be pursuing this in the future. There was definitely a lot of red teeth, and red spit on the ground, while I was there. Such a nasty habit tho.

 

However the quote above begs a question: you get back to the hotel, hungry, at 8:30, but make it to the buffet only at 9:45. What did you do in the intervening 1 hour and 15 minutes??? The shower sure didn't take that long. What are you hiding from us???? hahahha ;);)

LOL. Maybe I sneaked out in that time and found a willing bellhop to fill that 1 hour and 15 minutes.

 

You provided us with great tour of Bagan temples and I like your reflection on sightseeing barefoot although I'm not sure I'd rave so much about it.

 

One thing is sure , after stepping on monkey's poo while climbing Mt.Popa barefoot I will remember Myanmar exploration without shoes till end of my days LOL

LOL. This was a good segue to the current post. As I described, Mt Popa is crawling with monkeys and the "janitors" (there were many), for the most part, were able to clean up the mess while I was there, so no stepping on monkey poo for me.

 

I'll get to the other ones on a later post :).

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Absolutely stunning photography, providing a sense of place that allows us to travel vicariously though your generous efforts.

 

The horseplay you captured at the village toll point reinforced what I've come to see repeatedly represented in my visits to Thailand and environs: the uninhibited joy that young people take in each others' company.

 

Perhaps it comes from living in a more intimate conditions, in close proximity with others that fosters this mindset of acceptance. I'm sure that there other factors I may never fully appreciate but remains a joyous experience simply to witness it.

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As mentioned by others the photographs add a level of enjoyment and help to turn voyeurs ("boyeurs") into voyagers.  

 

Great fun.  

 

Question: are you using only your phone as a camera?  The clarity seems much sharper than that of most phone cameras.  My miserable photography skills are shown in my current report and I'd like to improve for my planned May excursion.

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You already have ' someone you should date ' and ' someone you want to date ' ... I think you are very lucky ... Hope that will be everlasting .  

 

It's really a first world problem. I don't think I am risking much having two boyfriends like this. One is conveniently on the other side of the world and the other is here with me. I know someday my relationship with BurBoy will end, the how or why is the mystery, and it has me on pins and needles. This is life in general, and the uncertainty is what makes it worth living. Thank goodness life is not boring, yet.

 

Maybe...and maybe strong feelings can be confusing and somewhat messy.  Consider the alternative: the unemotional life.  It's not as rich or varied.  My humble suggestion is to continue wondering while you muddle though being human.

Thank you for such a full and  honest appraisal,

 

But at the end of the day its good to have choices I suppose,

 

Nothing to do with mid-life-crisis mate - can happen to any of us at any time LOL

 

You guys are right, these interesting events happen in any stage of life. I conveniently blame it on mid-life to excuse my behavior. But really, this is who I am and I will probably continue doing this for the rest of my life.

 

Now, I am looking at the possibilities of booking a flight to Myanmar...see the damage you have done, N...(in a very good way).. Keep up the reporting..I am sure that South East Asia cross-country tourism boards must be thankful .. (minus the sexual bits, but I like!)

 

The Myanmar and Cambodian tourism boards should give me my cut for inspiring people to check out their countries. Though I'm pretty sure they'd think twice when they see all the boy smut I write. If you do decide to go, write up a trip report here!

 

so much for rankings, in my view they are mostly worthless. Rankings force an order where often there is none. If you have 5  places with a rating average of, say, 7.81 - 7,82 -7,83 -7,84 - 7,85 the differences are minuscule and accidental, so the places should be considered identical. Yet there is an order and one place "wins" and another is the "worst". And apart from that, the personal criteria of the people giving ratings on places like tripadvisor can vastly differ, so there is no way to tell whether or not those are relevant to you or me, personally. Much more helpful is reading actual reviews, as in prose, to get a feel for what the reviewer cares about or not and give more meaning to his/her judgement. 

words of wisdom. I one doesn't know the person can't assess correctly what he is trying to say.

 

There are those who will be complaining about the food just because view from restaurant windows was ugly a and will be those who will be praising unkempt hotel just because staff at reception is cute.

 

Often , just for fun I read reviews of hotels I was staying in and I'm amazed what some are complaining about or exclaiming virtues  I clearly overlooked when there.

 

Restaurant reviews are even less relevant as our tastes about food vary very widely.

Just recently in span of few days  three newbies acting on my recommendation visited Oasis on Suriwong to taste my often mentioned chicken with cashews. Feedback I received- one praise and thank you, one pretended not to notice my question so I assume he did  not like it, one did not like outright , not as much food as restaurant itself. Anybody can make out of it whatever he wishes

 

In general I think that the majority of people who write reviews were motivated to express their negative views of the place. I always regard these rankings with a grain of salt. Like you, I look at the actual individual reviews instead of the overall score and ranking. Having a lot of reviews in general is a good sign, it means it is a high trafficked place and it is a known entity. The rankings are useless, I agree, but it does give more buzz to the places that are highly ranked. They even proudly put a TripAdvisor "Certificate of Excellence" sticker, or something, in their storefront, because this carries some weight with a lot of tourists.

 

At the end of the day, these rankings depend on the person. Much like people having different tastes in a boy bar: if I see a negative review here about a bar, it doesn't mean I'll have the same negative experience as that other guy. I do take it into consideration, but I am also eager in trying it out for myself and forming my own opinion.

 

And vinapu, I will write about your Chicken and Cashew Nuts in a later post, since you have high regard for it. 

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And vinapu, I will write about your Chicken and Cashew Nuts in a later post, since you have high regard for it. 

 

Just make sure you give our readers your honest opinion . My self -esteem is already boosted by fact that you followed recommendation, right or wrong. :rolleyes:

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Day 7.9: The Best Things in Life are Free

 

I was eager to satisfy my massage curiosity this trip. It already started with my outcall massage experience with Tao, which was very satisfying. So now, finding myself alone in Mandalay, I had the chance to check out one of the two massage parlors in the city.  The two in the city are reviewed in this link: https://www.travelgayasia.com/mandalay-gay-massage-spas/. Seems like Paradise had slightly better reviews, and since it was closer to my hotel, I thought I’d give it a try.

 

I have been checking out Grindr while resting for a little bit before heading out for the massage, and there was some very promising conversation with the boys on the gay app. I was very close to meeting with 3 boys that I had some steamy conversations with. One in particular caught my attention: a 28-year-old Burmese guy, tall for Burmese at 6 feet, and had perfect English, at least in what he was typing. He said he was having coffee in a nearby café close to my hotel, and he said he could drop by if I wanted. I was very tempted, but now was for massage.

 

It was close to 9 by the time I got out of my hotel. Google maps said that the spa was a 15-minute walk from the hotel. I pass by this sign, probably the best use of a Burmese pun I’ve ever heard while in Myanmar (Mingalaba is welcome in Burmese). It right up there with "Hello Deli" and "Sawadee Crab Shack":

 

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I walked the deserted side roads of Mandalay. I was careful to avoid the main thoroughfares so I don’t get mowed down by motorists at night. I was in shorts and a t-shirt, even if it was slightly cool tonight. It was the perfect weather to just walk and experience the city at night. It was a quiet night, and reliably so: it was Myanmar after all.

 

After some death-defying crossing of the street action on my part, I get to a residential part of the city where Paradise Spa was. There was a group of guys drinking right across the street from the spa. How many men have they seen enter this place to take advantage of the services? I go in a two-story residential house. There wasn’t anyone at the front desk. I go in and wake up about 4 boys relaxing in the couches inside. They call on the receptionist and he appears and receives me at the front desk.

 

He invited me to sit down on a nice looking couch and he offered me some water to drink. I thanked him and got shown a menu of services they offered. It ranged from 30 minutes of straight-up massage (9000 kyat = $6.50), to more involved specialty massages starting at 15,000 kyat ($11) for an hour. I chose what looked like a combination 30 minute scrub and an hour massage at 18,000 kyat ($13). It wasn’t a lot of money so I just chose one that looked good.

 

I was then shown an iPad with photos of the boys. There was only about 8 boys shown, and there was 2 that were attractive to me. I chose the one that looked the most Burmese, since I was in Burma. He gets called and then goes up to me and he escorts me upstairs where the massage rooms are. We go in a somewhat run-down but large room with a dingy bed in the center, and a pillow at the head of the bed with a faded pillowcase. He asked, in horrible English, if I showered already. I said I did, so he went into the in-room bathroom and showered.

 

When he finished he was in a towel. Nice body, not too worked out but fit. He had classic Burmese looks, but he did not smile, and was all business-like. He asked me to strip and lie on the bed. I did and positioned my head on the pillow. He started with the scrub treatment, which was pretty pleasant, and I felt the exfoliation work. He did this for about 15 minutes and then he said he was done. He asked me to shower away the exfoliating beads and to prepare for the main massage. I get in the bathroom to shower. No hot water, the water heater didn’t work, so I shivered through the process. I tried my best to get all the beads out.

 

Emerging from the bathroom naked under the towel, the boy goes to me and used another towel to get all the beads out that were stuck in hard to reach places. He invites me to go back to the bed to continue the massage. I was expecting the lights to dim but he didn’t, and the harsh fluorescent lights were still on during the massage. The massage oil was applied, and what follows was a decent massage. I relaxed a bit, dozing off in some parts, slobbering on the pillow. I immediately thought, yikes how many guys have slobbered on this pillow. Gross! I try to put it out of my mind.

 

He asks me to turn around. I see his nice body, and the penis hiding in the skimpy briefs he was wearing. It was nice visuals, and the massage was decent, but he kept the briefs on. When it was time for the sensual part, it was… not inspiring. He did not take off his briefs. He started chuck-wowing me, but the harsh lighting, the gross bed, and the disinterested masseuse was not doing it for me. So it took him a while to get me off. I did, eventually, almost regrettably. This was not a sexy massage, more just the boy going through the motions. I dart to the bathroom to clean up the oil and cum.

 

I emerge and start putting on clothes. I reach for my money and gave the masseuse 18,000 kyat, which was the same as the cost of the massage itself. I went down the stairs and got out of there. I spent an hour and half there getting a decent massage, and not so decent ending. Maybe I had too high expectations. Maybe I should’ve picked the other cute guy who was actually smiling in his photo. From the look of the other boys there, it seemed that there were very cute boys there. If I were here longer I would try the other boys, just because it was dirt-cheap.

 

I get back to my hotel slightly regretting going to the spa. In lower spirits, I fire up Grindr, and see more messages from new boys and boys I have talked to earlier tonight. I waste some time typing away. And then I notice that cute 6-foot Burmese guy said hi again. He asked where I went, why I was offline for a while. I told him I had some dinner, but now was back in my hotel room. We talk for a while. He was interested on what I thought about Myanmar, and was glad I liked Yangon and Bagan.

 

Our talk turned into flirting soon after that. And then it went to the subject of what we were both into. We had the same likes: we loved kissing, passionate body contact, rimming and topping. Pretty soon we were exchanging steamy photos. He had a nice body, and had an even nicer uncut cock. I got hard, even if I just came half an hour ago. He asked me again: “Can you meet now?” I took a chance and said “Sure, can you come to my hotel?” I gave him my location using the Grindr location thing. He said he will be there in 10 minutes.

 

I tidy up my hotel room in preparation for company. I tidy up myself a bit and didn’t have to shower since I just did it in the spa. After 12 minutes he said he was parked outside the hotel. I go down and meet him outside on the sidewalk. Lets call him TallBurGuy.

 

He was still on his motorbike, and he disembarked, towering over me. He was cuter in person than he was in his photos, and he smiled and shook my hand. He tells me his name again, I had to ask him to repeat it. He had classic Burmese looks, maybe a little bit more Chinese than Burmese. I was ready to tear off his clothes right there. But right now, outside in the streets of Mandalay, we talked, and checked each other out. He spoke in perfect and clear English with a Burmese accent. It was clear there was a mutual attraction, and we were both eager to consummate this.

 

We go to the hotel and I nonchalantly go to the elevator to get up to my room. But the receptionist stops TallBurGuy, saying some words in Burmese. They get into a conversation, and the he told me that the hotel did not accept outside guests to get up to the room. I talk to the receptionist about it, and she was firm in not letting TallBurGuy in. I used all my charm, and then all my logic, but could not get her to budge. TallBurGuy could not believe it. A second disappointment tonight!

 

We go back out and talk about it. He said he could not believe this hotel. I told him I could understand why, probably because Myanmar was still conservative. He said it doesn’t matter. I was a paying customer, and he suspected I paid a lot of money to stay in the hotel. I told him how much I paid. He laughed and said I should get my money back.

 

It was nice talking to him like this, but we were still eager to have sex with each other. TallBurGuy finally says “OK, I will take you to my house.” I asked if he was sure. He said yes. He lived with other people in this big house but had a room for himself. I don’t even think about it and just get on the motorbike with him.

 

We speed through the streets of Mandalay. We get to a main intersection with traffic lights, and we speed though that. He was going fast, probably so horny and frustrated from being turned away at the hotel. We get to a residential area like where Paradise Spa was, and he parks next to a big house with high gates. There were no lights on that I can see, but it was 12 midnight so it was understandable. He leads me towards the back and then opens a gate, and then a few meters to a door. We go through a hallway and then he uses his keys to open the door to his room.

 

I walk in a room with some furniture and a bed on the floor. I could see some clothes hung and folded by the side, and a desk with some papers and books on them. He plays with the lights till he was satisfied with the ambiance. He made it a little bit romantic and dim. We both take off all our clothes and we lie down and made out. He grew right away, and I can feel his respectable cock grow in my hand. This was way hot.

 

He was a great kisser, very deep and lots of tongue. We touch, prod, and feel. I go down on his cock and put it in my mouth. The foreskin and the big cock head. I did this for a while before he put his attention on me. He licked my nipples, sucked on them with ferocity. He licked my neck and sucked and licked it for a while. We kissed, and then he went down and lifted up my legs to give me an amazing rim job. I cannot believe how good it felt. He went back up and kissed me, making me taste myself in his mouth. This was hot. He wasn’t kidding when he said he was passionate.

 

We were both tops, but he teased me with his cock head. He put the tip in my hole. He whispered he wasn’t going in, just to tease me. He dry humped me for a while. Pretty soon we couldn’t take it anymore. He lay down and he manhandled me to put me on his chest, with him jacking himself off while I jacked off, sitting on his chest, with my cock slapping his chin. I came, and he quickly put my cock in his mouth, taking it all in. I then felt his some of his hot cum hit my back as he came. We both smile. He gets a towel and we towel off.

 

We head back outside to talk. He was all smiling and chatty. I get back on his motorbike get a ride back to the hotel. It was 1 AM and the streets were deserted. He drove slowly, and we talked the whole way back. I got to know him more. He worked for an NGO, is college educated, and a Mandalay local. He loved his city, and could not think of anywhere else to live. I profess my love for his country, and tonight, my admiration of his passion. He asks if I went to Mandalay often. I regrettably say that I don’t. He tells me that if I find myself back here, to let him know so we can spend more time together.

 

As we get back to the hotel, I put my arms around him. He saved the night. As if I needed more reason to love this country, here comes this tall drink of water to add to the many things I got to know and love about this wonderful place. I get off his bike and we both wave goodbye to each other. He speeds away out of my life.

 

Tomorrow, the highlight of my Myanmar trip…

wow, i have to kudo to your braveness and a little daredevil :-)   Fortunately you had a wonderful time with him but I personally still think it was a risky move :-) 

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exactly, sounded like he highlight already happened just now...!

Only think we can do is to wait what our forum's  Hitchcock will reveal next. I like that  suspense. 

 

My guess is numazu found 5 kg bar of gold while climbing  great stupa in Mingun or BurBoy instaed of going to BKK by bus will knock to his door in the morning.

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Hi Numazu.

 

What a great post! That was quite a sexy story with the tall guy. The set up like a porn story

 

I have not been posting in this thread over the last few weeks, even though I have been reading it every day, as I was waiting till the end to congratulate you, but I couldn't resist after reading that posting.

 

And as well I was afraid that I would have forgotten about some of the gems on this tread, like the abs photo of ShanBoy (I had to revisit that post over a few days to make sure I had the exact contours of his body memorised...) or those photos of the balloon trip over Bagan.

 

This has been a true classic thread, it has really put a longing on me to visit Burma now, even though I was thinking of Vietnam as the side-trip to my next SE Asia adventure, and you cant say better for a trip report than it makes people say "I want to visit there too!"

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Half of me, the curious half, wants to see what Bur-Boy looks like,

 

But the other half of me does not.

 

Bur Boy is clearly what Numazu wants him to look like, but will he be what I want him to look like? I now have a mental image of him in my mind  as being near perfection (for me) as I join vicariously with Numazu on his travels.

 

Sometimes the unseen image is more powerful and more potent. 

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Sometimes let the mystery remains.

That Burboy is just too good to have..so sensitive to the client's physical, psychological and emotional needs.

Please allow his good personality to remain intact.

We don't need to discover him ourselves and let that image of him remains forever in these pages. 

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It's really a first world problem. I don't think I am risking much having two boyfriends like this. One is conveniently on the other side of the world and the other is here with me. I know someday my relationship with BurBoy will end, the how or why is the mystery, and it has me on pins and needles. This is life in general, and the uncertainty is what makes it worth living. Thank goodness life is not boring, yet.

 

But with one "boyfriend," you report that you are honest and open about your activities and I think you even mentioned that he knows about your posts on this Board.  With the other "boyfriend" (BurBoy) you write that you are not so forthright, and that you have not told him about your partner back home and you even write that you've been not entirely honest with him so to arrange butterflying opportunities in this current trip report.  

 

I find these disparities in treatment rather profound, and tossing around "one boyfriend here -- one boyfriend there" as if they're treated with the same -- pick a word -- "honesty?" "care?" "affection?" -- doesn't seem right to me.  And, it's the developing world boyfriend that your not honest with, perhaps even more troubling as there is an out-of-the-gate issue of economic disparity, and most likely a difference in education and possibly life experiances.  

 

It raises what I think is a good question for many of us, and with which I guess many of us struggle:  How honest and genuine can affection be when it's based on some core aspects of dishonesty.  I know I struggle with it on the giving and receiving side.  It starts moving from true heartfelt affection and care to something less.  When someone - Trump or me or anyone - tries to control the potentially relevant facts or put forth alternative (which, in my case, include being told by boys how handsome I am, among other whoppers), it starts veering towards manipulation and creating situations for our benefit and because, well, that sort of power is cool.   

 

Also, just to state the obvious, the paragraph from your post quoted above does not mention BurBoy's feelings, impact on him when the truth comes out, blah blah.  I have no doubt that you do care about his feelings, etc., but remember, it's "you do most certainly care...but just not enough [to be honest] because ...."  (At least in the story you are narrating so far.)  

 

Kudos for writing as a narrator warts-and-all.  (Updike?)  And perhaps perhaps by the time the narrative gets caught up with reality we will all find out that you've come clean with BurBoy and he never had so much as a moment of anguish.  But where we are in the story so far I find, among many wonderful aspects of the story, this bit, not so wonderful.

 

But this is just my opinion.  I now return the comments to the posts to the previous unmitigated adulation.

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The report is a masterwork of pacing, timing, suspense, color, intimacy, and travelogue.  

 

Given the reader numbers your report is incredibly and deservedly popular.  But stepping back just a bit, DivineMadman raises a question (existential? who knows?).  Honesty is in the life of the beholder.  One's belief in one's one honesty may not be shared by others.  

 

I wish only good things for all mentioned in this report.  A personal concern is that Numazu may find that neither boyfriend is happy/comfortable and he may be the one who has a hard landing.

 

Life is complicated that's why it's destination and way stations are unknowable.  But, shout out to Numazu, you have to LIVE it and he's doing that.

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DivineMadman , I am also very curious to learn how their relation will be at the end of the report .

 

If I am not wrong when BurBoy asked if Numazu has a BF , Numazu's answer was a political ' no ' and wrote us that he was not feeling very comfortable with his answer . Since then his feelings towards BurBoy seem to be deeper , stronger ... empathy wise now it is more difficult for Numazu to confess that he has a BF .

 

This is a first time in my life ... Every day I am reading a chapter of a real life story and I believe the author tries to do his best to describe his , his BF's and BurBoy feelings .

 

That is Numazu's life experience which is kindly shared with us ... in my opinion we should be expecting him to finalize his report before making any critics .     

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That is Numazu's life experience which is kindly shared with us ... in my opinion we should be expecting him to finalize his report before making any critics .     

It's of course ok that that is your opinion, but given that the thread already included sidebars on "feelings" and the narrative truth of these "feelings," they were already being discussed so I simply added an observation.  I don't think even the author would say only fawning admiration is appropriate.  

 

People here regularly comment on whether paying this amount was right, or doing this was right, or whether this conduct was right or wrong.  I'm surprised that it's ok to talk about the price of a guide but not how to treat another person. 

 

As to the "life is messy" argument - ok to say it, but of course that doesn't justify anything.  And justification, of course, isn't the point.  It's simply getting out front an important aspect of the story - how the local guys are and should be treated (we are outside the situation of a s/t off, after all).  If that's not a part of the story, then the local guys just become travel accessories, and I don't think anyone really thinks that is or should be the case here.

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