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good for you. 

I spent several days in Yogyakarta a few years ago and really liked it there. Lots of universities there so a pretty youthful vibe. And some stupendous sights to see. I didn't have a lot of free time as I was on a private guided tour. 

Not sure it's a country I'd want to go back to given the current climate. But happy to hear you're having fun

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Wow. Thank you for the information. I felt the same in Jordan as I always found sex there easy as not so many openly white guys.  Please share some pics when you get time.

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Floridarob, It seems that a few posters on Trip Advisor had a good time there also.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g294229-d3308315-Reviews-Apollo_Bar_Club-Jakarta_Java.html

Some random pics from the net:

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With the General Election in April and every party spouting hateful homophobic rhetoric, I would not go near Jakarta or Indonesia in general at least until the outcome of the election is known. When a countrys Defence Minister labels the emerging LGBT community as "an act of war to subtly undermine the sovereignty of the state" and likens it to a form of "nuclear war", thats the time I make sure I do not return. 

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Police have stood by while vigilantes have stormed “gay sex parties”, and have themselves broken up gatherings at spas and hostels, charging some with violating strict pornography laws, and prompting many others to go underground. The authorities have also been clamping down online, blocking many LGBT sites or getting LGBT apps removed by host companies, including dating apps.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-lgbt-insight/criminal-code-revamp-plan-sends-chill-through-indonesias-lgbt-community-idUSKBN1FT2IO

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maybe they've remodeled , no center bar like that, is a dance floor....

 

But was a fun week, met some really nice/fun guys....was with one moneyboy (useless) and one massage guy, very nice and good $7usd for massage 14 with ending......took me a week to spend what I usually do in BKK in a day and a half,lol

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8 hours ago, witty said:

Fat ladyboys seem to be everywhere! 

I've never understood it.   I'm gay, so I like the MALE body form.  Yet so many gay bars expect us to go along and see ladyboys, often way out of shape as well.   

It's a bit like vegetarian bacon.   If I wanted to eat ****ing bacon, I would be a carnivore.

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On 2/4/2019 at 4:08 AM, Michael said:

Ladyboys, fat ladyboys, gay boys, fem boys, manly guys, and not gay boys but gay for pay. All should be openly welcome IMHO. As far as the shape, most people do not like bigger guys or ladyboys. Yet, look at the crowd. It is a variety of shapes, sizes, colors, ages, etc. Each one has their own likes and preferences. Good bars should have something for everyone. But, I would never presume that my type is other people's desired type. If that were the case, Thailand gogo bars would be filled with only tattooed bad boys. 

I'm a libetarian at heart and of course insist upon the rights of people to become lady boys and so on (providing it is not at the taxpayers expense).  One lad I know has had breasts fitted and I may well off him again.

I just don't understand why there are so many in gay gogo bars.   I don't see the ladyboy mamasans getting offed and rarely see them hitting it off with clients.  Some of the most successful gogo bars have eliminated them and I'm just surprised that they are so common in the remaining bars.  I suppose we do at least have a choice here.

As for that Jakarta scene, is what's on stage there really what people want in the only gay bar in the city ?   Rather than gay boys going to see hot gay boys, do they really want to go and see cross dressing ?

Perhaps if there is no competition in an enormous city, even this can thrive.  One bar like that in Jakarta may survive, due to lack of competition.  However, if the gay scene was on the scale of Bangkok, I suspect they couldn't keep 20 bars going with that kind of offer.

As for the diversity argument, you could extrapolate the logic and put girls on stage in the bars too.  This may even work as a novelty, but in the majority of cases, a certain level of stratification works.

In the same way you wouldn't put karaoke in Starbucks, or a gogo bar in a church.

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My guess is many of the ladyboys in gay gogo bars used to be gogo boys too, before the transition, thus they are sort of kept around rather than being hired from outside. So they find creative ways to justify their existence, in shows, and i see most of them time their shows are funny/comedic and find some bar goers enjoys that as well judging by the laughters and tips. Do they get off, the pretty one might i supposed? I guess from lady boy point of view, what other choices they have in the workforce when they had spent most of their life in gogobars, bars can only have certain number of mamasan, and the ladyboy bars only want the young and beautiful ladyboys. 

I also rather gogobars shows didnt have ladyboy especially the shows are more towards sleazy type. But they are part and parcel of gogobars since forever. I am glad some bars already went away with ladyboys shows, but if they do, ill just pay attentions to boys who sits in amongs the crowd during the show lol

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53 minutes ago, z909 said:

I just don't understand why there are so many in gay gogo bars.   I don't see the ladyboy mamasans getting offed and rarely see them hitting it off with clients.  Some of the most successful gogo bars have eliminated them and I'm just surprised that they are so common in the remaining bars.  I suppose we do at least have a choice here.

 

Because they are gay guys.  That is what the clubs are for. Ladyboys are men. They are gay. They want to be there. And, yes they get offed from time to time.  I know as I have offed a lot of them. Sometimes for sex but mostly for fun times drinking and taking care of things. They are as much a part of the gay bar scene as you and I and they make the boys feel comfortable and they help some customers.  Do I like the aggressive ones?  Hell no.  But, I don't like the aggressive guys either (unless they are very aggressive and then I like that). ;) 

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As in Latin culture...I think the drag or ladyboy shows are used as a "pretext" to go to the club....they enjoy seeing the shows.

And as I became  fluent in Spanish and Portuguese , the shows become more entertaining because I understood what they were saying and some are so damn funny.

I don't understand clowns at the circus ;)

Try explaining to a straight guy why we like cock......:D

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z909,  I'm 100% with you.  I don't like bars full of drag queens or lady boys.  I find drag shows totally boring and leave when one starts.  Each of us are entitled to our opinions and how we feel about things and I know that you and I are not the only guys who feel this way about this issue.

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