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    • Actually, those "short-time" half-hour offers are fairly common in Spain - and I took upon them from time to time, especially I've seen instances where they don't really differ from dates on normal rates (either because short-term rates run longer, or - more often - normal rates really don't really end up in an hour spent)
    • Part 4 This was a Friday, and SB and I enjoyed a morning at the pool, working out in the hotel gym, and then we went to ICON SIAM to have the happy hour/late lunch on the terrace overlooking the river. After that, we headed off to Klover for our afternoon appointment. I had already planned a 2 hour appointment with Therapist Trol, as recommended by @GoldMember. I asked SB if he would like to have a massage/treatment as well. He was super tentative, and unsure of the concept of the gay massage. Even as a professional MB and sugar baby, he was really shy about it. He told me he had never had one of these “so called gay massages”, and didn’t quite know what the protocol was. After what seemed like hours the day before—scanning through all of the available therapists’ profiles and photos… he decided—he would like a body scrub and a massage. The therapist he wanted was only available for 1 of the 2 hours during the same timeslot to match mine, so we found another therapist to do the first hour as a bodyscrub (Nicky) , and the preferred therapist he wanted for the second hour as a massage (Golf). SB asked me all sorts of questions about what to do about the sex part—how it worked etc. I gave him cash to deal with the expected tips, and coached him on it. We headed to Klover via grab. Klover is located in a pleasant local neighborhood in a small mini-mall above some casual restaurants and a grocery store. It comprises most of the entire second floor. We were welcomed warmly by two receptionists, and paid them for SB’s services in cash. (When we booked the day before, they requested a 500 THB deposit to hold the bookings). I had already prepaid via card 2 weeks in advance for my booking 2190 THB for the two hour massage with Trol since he is a very high-demand therapist. SB was greeted first by his bodyscrub therapist Nicky, and he nervously went along with him for his appointments. Trol then appeared offered me tea and a cold towel, and then collected my shoes and gave me slippers and escorted me to the room. The facilities at Klover are nice and clean. There are no toilets inside the shop, the toilets are the public toilets of the mini-mall on the same floor as Klover, but at the end of the exterior hallway. This can be an issue if you need to use the toilet during your session.  The massage room is large, modern, and clean. There is a small private shower stall in the room. This is the same exact setup as at History of Massages and The Residences… by now I could tell this was very much owned and operated by the same people. Trol, as expected was very sexy, and beautiful. He is slimmer than most of the other therapists I saw this week, but has a super muscular, and lean physique. He also doesn’t speak much English. This was 100% translator app time. He was very comfortable, and not nervous about the language gap, and truly was kind to me even if he had to use the app. The massage started with the shower, he stepped away, grabbed his supplies on a cart, and came back into the room after I was finished showering. I laid onto the table (it had a face hole), and pulled the sheer modesty sheet over my naked lower body. Trol started the massage (I gave him my preferences for pressure, etc. via the google translate app). The massage was not great. He went through the motions in the same order, and style as what had happened at the Residences yesterday (they are clearly trained by the same person or in the same method). But, this is not why you come to Klover 😊 There was no discussion of tips, extras, etc. It just happened… about 90 minutes into the session after I was flipped over, Trol leaned over from the top of my head and started to caress and massage my nipples, then he bent over and started licking and sucking on my chest and nipples very sensually… every so often he would look me in the eyes as to receive a signal from me if this was appreciated or not. Of course, I provide a big smile, an this encouraged him—he smiled wide back, and proceeded to work me over sensually, first it was grabbing my cock and arousing me, then he lifted his shirt and lowered his pants to tease me with his physique and cock. After I took the bait and started to arouse him, he presented his cock to me for oral. After that, he took off all of his clothes, straddled me on the table, while I gave him oral and he flexed  and let me appreciate his fantastic physique (he's super fit, so muscular, and lean!). He pressed my hard cock into the crack of his ass, and held it there to let me slide up and down his crack—he was moaning with pleasure along with me. He jacked himself to finish onto my neck and chest while I spurted while he pressed my cock against his ass crack. He grinned wide with appreciation and so did I. He cleaned me up, and I took a shower. I used my translator app to thank him and to tell him that I would be thrilled to give him a 2000 THB tip for my appreciation. He smiled and gave me a big thank you hug. After I dressed, he brought me tea and cookies in the room. I would rate Klover, very high as a massage shop for their customer service, cleanliness, and vibe. The massage I got from Trol, I rate 6/10 (again most of that 6 was for Trol’s physique, attitude, and sensual abilities, not at all for the massage). We walked back to the lobby and I waited for SB there. Soon, he came back out with Golf his therapist. We said good night to the receptionists and caught our grab car back to the hotel. The rest of the night, SB told me that he enjoyed the experience at Klover. He said that Nicky, the first therapist he had for the body scrub didn’t quite look like his photos, and also there was no mention or indication of sex or sensuality at all. Of course, this was only a body scrub service. SB, who is a real “cosmetics snob”, felt as if the scrub material they used at Klover was not “as high quality as the stuff he uses”. But, he was okay with that service. The massage he had after that was with Golf-- Golf was exactly how he looked in his photos-- he commented. He said almost immediately, Golf stripped to naked, and was not even bothering with the massage antics but was quickly approaching him for sensual and sexual services. And of course, how could this not be? SB is a stunning Indonesian bodybuilder with flawless skin, and a beautiful ass and cock. He looks like sex on a stick, not a middle aged Farang. SB went along with sensual touches but he refused to have sex with Golf.. he told him that his “boyfriend (me) was in the other room” and it didn’t seem right for him to do that. Although he said he wanted to let Golf fuck him, and Golf really wanted to—but they ended up just doing a lot of sensual touch with no sex, HE or come. SB was adamant that this was not for him, but he thanked me for the opportunity. The whole thing was super funny for me to listen to this professional “sex worker” if you will, feel so bashful about the gay massage experience. After we got back to the hotel, SB was initiating sex again—and I was pretty much done for the day. We had some making out time, and cuddle time, but this would be my third time in a day, and I was done 😊   Part 5 later.
    • During Covid when travel closed I was bored out of my mind, had many business related worries, and formed an online friendship with an ex bar boy who had gotten trapped in his home country, and was struggling to eke out a pittance. His daily calls and messages helped me tide over a difficult period. I sent him around $200-300 each month to keep him afloat. I saw this as him providing similar services just remotely. Helping him also helped me to get out of my own head during lockdown. We didn’t indulge in video sex because he had roommates but I certainly enjoyed the video calls when he had just gotten out of the shower. If you are inclined to send Cam money during the months you are not together (seems like you are) it should only be as a reward for effort and proportionate to the effort he’s putting in. Don’t get carried away just because you’re infatuated and never send him free money. 
    • Please don’t scare @jimmie50. I know several Cambodian overstayers and apart from the usual police shakedown they’re merrily continuing with life as usual. Their landlords have not flushed them out, their rooms (right smack in bar district) don’t get raided, they travel between Bangkok and Pattaya just fine. Nothing some coffee money won’t fix.  If he has an ID card or a photo of his passport on his phone, he can be registered as the second guest in a hotel. I travelled to Pattaya in February with my guy who back then had ambiguous visa status and no passport. Zero issues.   
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