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My opinions are just that: mine, and mine alone; opinions (rather than facts) enjoying 1st amendment protection. On my first evening in Pattaya, I met bkkmfj2648 (henceforth B) for dinner: me - Pattaya newbie, he - local resident; therefore my treat. It turned out much better than my expected guidance meeting, because we really hit it off. B is a GREAT guy; was VERY patient with my too many questions; and since there was chemistry - we spent a LOT of touristic time together during my week there. Thanks again, B! After dinner we still had time before the Boyz3 show at 22:30, so we headed to Sunee. First stop - Nice Boys. We were the only customers. 12 scrawny boys quickly scrambled to the stage, dressed in undies. They stood there, no dancing, most busy with their phones, a few wanking covered dicks. I dont like twinks. I'm also a size queen. I came to P despite knowing that the majority of the boys wldnt fit my bill. I was however hoping to see in NB at least one or two more to my taste. Alas no. Anyway, after a couple of minutes B and I chose together the guy with the most potential, had him sit between us, and took turns at caressing his body and wanking him. He was busy with straight porn vids on his phone. His dick didnt rise to the occasion, so B gave him a 200 tip and off we went. In Winner there were 2 boys 0 cstmrs, so we doubled back just in time for the Boyz3 show. BTW Someone mentioned here the street leading to Sunee from BT as being dangerous, due to Arabs racing motorbikes. Saw nothing of that. The 8 mnts walk is standard and safe (and thus sooo dfrnt from Latin America).

B and I got to BBB just in time for the 22:30 show. The place was packed, about 20% female - either with their boyfriends or in groups. We were sitted right flank (further from the door) front row; good view. Some 20 guys were standing on stage, dressed, offering themselves to be offed. The majority were not twinks. Some were offable, but none really excited me. [I prefer to get mine through apps: nudes, written understandings, no interactions under unbearable noise.] These guys returned to the stage for the break, and after the show had ended. By then their numbers have dwindled, hopefully bcs some had been offed. The show was a mix of BBB's group (dancers, drag singers, straight big cocks) and the famous B Boys; it was a really professional high class show. In the first act, the cock guys were wearing white tongas, standing above blow holes that were lifting the tongas Marlyn Monroe style, thus exposing the cocks. One of them was right in front of us; I really wanted to reach out and grab..... In total the show lasted 2 hours. [At an early point I put in my ear plugs, which helped.] People gave tips to specific performers they liked, either directly if they were sitting front row; or through an usher, who then pointed out with a laser beam the back-sitting benefactor, so the performer cld gesture his gratitude. There was one old ugly lady who persistently came on stage, to tip every performer at a certain act. Guess she earned that right by her largesse, but it was really annoying. A couple of times an usher had to come up to escort her down. When the talented and sexy B-Boys gave 2 especially great performances, B gladly tipped them when the hat was passed, sighing: "If only they were offable..." The big cocks were attuned to the ladies, whenever a person from the audience was invited up, or when they got down into the audience. However, the ladies werent screaming disruptive dominating, so - contrary to some reports here - they didnt spoil my fun. Towards the end, the big cocks went around all the audience, to offer a grope. I shook hands with every cock that wasnt condomed (except one with a hideous inserted bean), tipping 100 each. One of them responded by planting a kiss on my forehead. I reciprocated by planting one on his cock; he recoiled. Bottom line: great time, to b had (if one is so inclined) for a mere 200 per first drink. After the show we/I peeked into the other clubs there. Toy Boys, A Bomb and X boys were lifeless: 2-3 boys, no cstmrs, zero energy. Dream Boys was dfrnt. Outside was a sexy twink, dressed in white undies, full of energy: "u want come in, sir? "U want me? I suck u, u boom boom?" I peeked inside; no cstmrs, but many boys. By then both of us were tired, but I decided to return. Great Pattaya-introductory evening!

From Pattaya Mail ‘A picture is worth a thousand words’ – For the first time in decades, ‘Treasure of Memories: 19th Century Photographs of Siam’, brings you an exhibition of over 100 century-old photographs from Athada Khoman and Weerawit Futrakul’s private collection for a rare insight into the nascent modernity of 19th century Siam. This haul of photographs from two of Thailand’s leading antique collectors will transport you to the cultural milieu during the reigns of Rama IV and V through the lens of royal photographers of the Siamese court. A must-see for history-lovers and photographers alike, this exhibition is open now until 20 December 2022, 10:00 AM – 8:00 PM at RCB Photographer’s Gallery 1 on the 2nd floor of River City Bangkok. (PRD)

Will be 3 yrs to implement and will be challenged in the courts, there have already been protests in Jakarta. Also, because police will only investigate if a family member makes a complaint - such as a parent, spouse or child of the suspected offenders.

Just look what happened in Indonesia yesterday. It is now illegal to have sex with any one other than your legal wife (which, being a Muslim country, means sex between legally married a man and a woman). The law applies not only to all Indonesians, all non-Indonesians not living in the country but also to all tourists! Even though the religion practised in Bali is based on Hinduism, the law applies there as well. So if any gay couples or pairs have plans to visit Indonesia, stay platonic because these crazies will certainly have their own version of Iran's morality police. Penalties can include up to one year in prison. Ironically Idonesia is not a dictatorship and its leadership seems not to be failing. It is, however, onbiously unable to fend of those determined to introduce more forms of sharia law similar to Aceh Province where it is the norm. Since this is of interest to tourists, I am also posting part of this in the Gay Asia forum.

Literal translation of Nong Ngu Hao "cobra swamp", which is what the airport site was called before its current name ("Golden Land") was bestowed.

Not this old chestnut again. Its origins lie in another forum a few years ago and the posts it produced were sickening. I'm not surprised you "saw nothing of that"; it was always a fantasy propagated by a couple of individuals toying with racial stereotypes. I cannot believe there 's a safer place to wander at night than Pattaya....as long as you watch out for all the traffic, not just fantasy Arabs on motorcys! Not to mention broken pavements.

best course of action is to spent pink dollar in more welcoming countries

Hence the expression to "grease my palm".

if you armed your palm with 100 baht note you easily could

This topic has been cumming up over and over in all the years that I am a member of this forum. I found this interesting web page - that tries to help you discover what condom size is correct for you. https://www.condom-sizes.org/condom-sizes/condom-calculator I am from the USA and we buy our condoms based on the length of your tool in inches. So, if you have a 7 inch dick - that converts to 17.78 centimeters in Europe. The above web page condom size calculator suggests a Thai condom with the size of 53mm - as the Thailand measurement system seems to be more interested in the calculation of the Condom Width, as opposed to the length. Then using the below additional web page "Find My Fit" - I can obtain additional information regarding the 53mm condom size https://www.tnrcondom.com/en/our-brand/find-my-fit?size=53 Could some of you guys try out these 2 web pages and let me know if I am doing this correctly ? Now that I live here in Thailand - this is a topic that I want to understand properly. Thanks, M.

and every weekday there's smaller version of local market at Silom's end of Patpong 1, mainly prepared food aimed at office workers in vicinity

yes , to distract their own people. It may work for short time, specially among rural population in certain countries

I believe the Arabs come in their high summer to escape the heat in the Middle East. Hopefully they have gone home for now.

This photo taken about 1a.m. Wednesday. The vendors' area extends from the Surawong entrance to the alley that connects to Patpong 2 (near Dreamboy), my friend tells me. The remainder of Patpong remains open to traffic. It's heartening to see new life returning after the long winter of covid.

Or a hypochondriac. I wish the OP all the best, but a gay forum is not the place to ask for medical advice.

There may be many ladies at Jupiter and the Jupiter guys love to be with them to drink but the ladies seldom take them off.

Great experience yesterday. Arrived from Sydney Australia at 4.30pm, through immigration immediately and waited 10 mins for bag. In the car within 20 mins of getting off the plane. Then 40 mins to Crowne Plaza. So just over an hour which I was very pleased with.

I agree cutting a customer short on the clock is a big no non-no. Forget the "you come, I go" philosophy. You and the shop agree in advance on the time and you have every right to expect the contract will be fulfilled. Some shops will place a clock in the room. When I'm with a guy I haven't used before, I call his attention to the time we begin the massage. If there's no clock, I just show him time on cell phone so we both have the same understanding. As I've observed before, I've been very lucky with my massage experiences on the last few trips. As I get older my expectations have evolved. The most important aspect of a satisfactory massage--beyond good technique--is the sensuality of the experience and the personalty of the masseur. My bottom line is now very simple: did I have fun?

it was supposed to be ' male staffed places", excessive technology help

You can walk into almost any gay massage parlor and ask for exactly what you described above. Or you could walk in, say you'd like an oil massage, play dumb about any extras and see how far the therapist will go. Think of it as an adventure. There used to be a massage place in front of Pinnacle Lumpinee, for years a favorite hotel among gay tourists. A friend from New York who was with a straight female friend once asked the hotel receptionist to recommend a massage shop that both he and she could enjoy. Basically they wanted a place with no hanky-panky, although probably neither would say no to some fun. Anyway, the receptionist recommended the place right in front of the hotel. They entered, ordered hourlong massages and were put into adjoining — um, what are they? Rooms separated by thin curtains? — well, you get the idea. My friend must have been giving off gay vibes because unbeknownst to him he was assigned a gay therapist, but also an actual masseur, someone with skill. The therapist, I guess sensing he was in the company of another gay man, decided to see if he could arouse his customer with strokes that kept getting closer and closure to my friend's anus, eliciting louder and louder moans with each stroke until a thumb started brushing up against the anus. And then ever so slightly inside. Eventually the therapist asked my friend to turn over. He did, and the masseur repeated the same procedure — long strokes not quite to the crotch but getting closer with every stroke until he was gently caressing my friends balls with his finger tips, but for only a split second before starting the down stroke. My friend said he couldn't contain himself, letting out a stream of moans that gave voice to his pleasure. All along, his female friend on the other side of the curtain was completely silent. Eventually my friend shot a load without even having his erection touched. This was 2004 and to this day he still says it was the best massage of his life. And the biggest load he has ever shot. But he's probably had more fun relating this story than he did during the sensual massage. He first told his female friend who immediately after leaving the shop asked, “Oh my god, what was all that moaning about?” The female friend couldn't believe all that had gone down — or maybe up — just a few feet from her without her realizing it. They had, after all, asked for a no hanky-panky shop.

I wish we had a crystal ball to see what is likely to happen re Chinese tourism. The recent anti-lockdown demonstrations in many cities create a major problem for the regime. If they grow and spread to other cities, I wonder if the security forces will either try to quell them relatively peacefully or will, as happened in 1989, the regime will consider using force. It's a fascinating time in the life of the largest communist state. Perhaps ironically the World Cup has made the situation worse. Although China did not qualify, the Chinese as a nation are soccer mad. Nighly on their TV screens they see tens of thousands in stadia with no masks and no social distancing. Many will be asking why this is not possible in China. Re tourism, my view is that as a result of three years of lockdowns and the inability of so many to get to work, too many people have suffered such economic hardship that overseas trips will be out of the question for at least a year or two. I cannot see the regome opening up borders for external tourism in 2023. So it is likely to be 2025 before numbers return to anything like the 2019 level. The other worrying factor is that many Chinese remain unvaccinated. Those that are have most likely had the two Chinese made vaccines which we know are considerably less effective than the western ones. Many of those already vaccinated will be waiting for boosters. Without these, I can't see the world accepting planeloads of Chinese tourists.

Not recently, but I’ve been to Thailand several time before so I should know this and it’s probably been covered somewhere on here before so I apologize in advance but what does “Types: GB54” in the attached photo mean? Lots of massage listings have similar references and I just realized I have no idea what they mean.

I'm glad you found time to meet me during my, very short this time , stay in Pattaya

For the avoidance of inadvertent offence - actually it's Sikh (Gurdwara Sri Guru Singh Sabha), not Hindu. There's another shortcut across the Wat Chai Mongkon car park (Google Street View) (handy hong nam if you're desperate!) to a gate on 2nd Road (Street View).

and if I remember correctly, that hotty had the number 45 - right ? he was definitely sexy.

and I was a witness to those 3 HOT offs :>)))

Apparently, the risks are relatively slim: for an investigation, an official complaint must be made, and it is only the parents and the spouses that are allowed to make these complaints. The risk is still there, of course, and the general direction of these developments is deeply worrying: https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/warnings/what-bali-sex-ban-means-for-aussies/news-story/c333fa91d211aac056ce69e2889253c0

"dancers"? Been there twice this week; no one was dancing. I wish they were; it wld add much needed energy.

I'd put BBB one step below Jupitar 🤮

Dreamboys was the only place I found any good last month....let us know what you think.

Can do both, but like Riobard said...go to Colombia 1st because vice versa, you need Yellow Fever Vaccination. Sao Paulo, Rio (watch dates for Carnaval, VERY pricey) Bogota and Medellin, or just Bogota...I feel it's less dangerous. If you are connecting in Panama at all, try to fit a couple of days there, very cute guys, no real commercial scene and more expensive, but worth it if it's on your way.

Or do a 3-way with him.....Pinoy's are the biggest whores, not in public of course, behind closed doors 😳

น้อง (Nong) is a form of address (by yourself of by others) when speaking with someone slightly older, here translated as sister, even though it is used for both sexes. Originally used between siblings, but can be used for people non-related as well. The opposite would be พี่ (Pee) that's how the boy would address the customer, or the customer address himself when talking to the boy. K is slang for penis.

I would love to know the no doubt weird and wonderful reason for that daily build and strip routine. I've always assumed it was either as there's some law that prevents there being a permanent market there unless approved by the authorities / Palace etc OR that the landlords perhaps rent the land to the market owners on the condition that they get the contract to provide all the kit and the manpower labour to build and strip it all every day of the year and THAT is how they're making the REAL money from the deal. As when you consider that the strip can be going on well until the early hours of the morning sometimes, with the build then starting to happen sometimes well before lunch time again on the same day with only a few hours gap in between there must surely be SOME reason behind it happening like that as it makes zero sense otherwise, even when factoring in the whole TIT thing !?

Another thing to keep in mind is that all of the buildings and roads comprising Patpong (1, 2 and the connecting alleys) are on privately owned land. Finding sufficient vendors to rent space on Patpong 1 could be holding up the re-opening. Since the market is dismantled every evening and reassembled the following afternoon, and the display stands stored in a garage off of Patpong 2, the logistical expenses are huge.

From Coconuts Bangkok A short circuit was blamed for Saturday’s fire at the CentralwOrld shopping mall, and one woman was treated for smoke inhalation, according to police. Prapakorn Tiyabutr was the only injured in the late afternoon blaze, which sent panicked shoppers scrambling for the exits after it broke out at the mall’s Groove dining area, said Col. Pansa Amarapitak, Pathumwan police chief. Prapakorn was treated at the nearby Police General Hospital. Witnesses told the authorities that the fire started at a booth which was made of wood and decorated with LED bulbs and spotlights. It had been there since July and was connected to a power supply. Continues with video https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/short-circuit-blamed-for-fire-that-injured-1-at-centralworld/

prison with the poll ? that's something ! on top of Jomtien Complex hotels mentioned in report there's The Venue. apparently Agate rates are much lower when one books through the their own website , not booking sites , I was told by one of our members

Well in Pattaya, here’s how the signal works. After about twenty minutes the masseuse will have you flip over onto your back. He’ll be kneeling over your midsection. Tap on his left knee one time with your index finger , signaling to him to chuck wow you. Tap twice and it means mutual chuck wow. If you want him to smoke you, tap his right knee once, and twice to signal mutual smoke. They get annoyed if you get the taps mixed up, so make sure you do it right the first time! If you want him to top you, thrust your mid section quickly into his crotch area. Do this twice if you want to top him. For cuddling, just rotate into the fetal position and clasp your hands together under your head. He’ll get the message. He will get the message that maybe you’re ting tong and end the session. Obviously I’m joking, just do as others have advised. It will come naturally.

Ha ha all of that - and just from you reading one sentence, wow ! You're obviously a little bit unhinged it seems, that explains your various posts to date at least I guess. Have a nice day 🙂

As @macaroni21's earier post indicates, we should remember that the Chiang Mai gay scene was dying long before covid delivered a near coup de grace. Well over 50 venues, some very popular, had closed in the years leading up to the advent of covid. With the exception of Adam's Apple and a few others, Chiang Mai's gay venues are primarily for the local population.

I'll also believe it when the present demonstrations have subsided. Let's remember the Revolutionary Guard still exists. They are equally hated and basically do as they wish. My heart goes out to most Iranians who for the most part are a lovely, kind, cultured people with an extraordinary history. I can understand why they loathed the corrupt Shah and his murderous Savak Secret Police killing machine and thus welcomed Khomeini with open arms. But like all dictators, as my Iranian guides told me four years ago the present leader and his cronies pocket vast sums of money and have every incentive to do everything possible to stay in power.

He was lovely. Nice boy (I thought more of a bad boy with all the tats) but a sweet person and kind in bed. Jupiter Boy's friend was fun.

I’m only top and I play only safe (oral with condom too). Each time they start saying that are active and so we can only share a wank, after a while playing with an “Italian sausage” in their hands they start moving to more bottom roles, but it take times. Additionally they are not “ready” to be bottom so dirty surprises are probable if you go deep.

Since April ‘21 I’m coming to cairo every thre months, I try Ies differ t hotels at JWMarriott near the airport I had sex with one of the waiters… chat on Grindr and after I come to my room, I’m only active so It started with joint wank and ending with me pounding him… no tips needed same hotel, at breakfast, I was wearing joggers w/o underpants and a waiters ask to be my friend and cleaning the table he touched my cock. I was in the hurry for the airport at dusit Thani I invited a bi local guy from Grindr in my room, easy sex, not tips… again I started with “I’m only active and I would like to wank you” ending with him being fucked last times I’m going at JWMarriot at zamelek, nice facilities but not yet any action, but the location has a good potential.

A few years ago I was sitting with an Asian friend, watching the Dreamboy show. It included a slapstick segment featuring ladyboys made up in grotesque costumes and makeup. At one point they simulated picking up fake feces off the stage floor. Members of the audience were recruited to join the act on stage and to my amazement, quite a few joined in. Just about all the seats were filled and the Asian dominated crowd roared with laughter. After the show I asked my Asian friend what he liked most about it and he said the ladyboy comedy routines. It was what appealed to me the least. It was then I came to appreciate the cultural gap. It wasn't that they didn't like to see sexy guys on stage. It was that they also wanted to be entertained in a way that left me nonplussed. I never did get around to catching the new Dreamboy show on my last trip. It wasn't because I didn't want to to attend but I always managed to find something else to do.

Why you'd almost thinking he was (still) trolling about Cancer -and on a post where another board member seems to have a genuine case going on - tasteless to say the least.

I suspect not many will remember Jiang Zemin other than he took over the leadership of China when Deng stepped aside after 1989. As the obituaries have noted, he was a very different type of leader from the present President Xi. He even charmed Bill Clinton after Clinton had earlier virtually trashed him as a "butcher of Beijing"! He certainly seems to have been a man who revelled in life. A recent book about the tenor Luciano Pavarotti has an interesting anecdote which perhaps illustrates this. In 2001 the Olympic Bidding Committee was in Beijing making its final assessment of the bids for the 2008 Games. To coincide with this, the Chinese had organised a concert with the famous Three Tenors inside the Forbidden City. Until then, only Bertolucci had been allowed access to the Forbidden City for his movie The Last Emperor. Although none of the top leadership attended the concert, President Jiang invited the tenors to lunch the following day. After a pleasant lunch with Jiang, who spoke good English, the Prime Minister Zhu Rongji and the Minister of Culture, Jiang thanked the tenors for helping with the Chinese bid for the 2008 Summer Games. He then said there was a western tradition that you "sing for your supper". So he proposed that the tenors sing duets with the senior leaders. After Carreras sang something with the Culture Minister and Domingo with the Prime Minister, it came to Pavarotti's turn. President Jiang apparently loved the Neapolitan songs which Pavarotti had sung many hundreds of times. What he did not know was that Pavarotti not only could not read music, he could never remember words. So when they sang their duet, while Jiang was note and word perfect, Pavarotti could not remember certain words and had to resort to the Italian version of "rhubarb, rhubarb." That gaff aside, Pavarotti - clearly a very intelligent man despite his often appearing less so - claimed that having met many of the world's Kings, Queens, Princes, Prime Minsters and other senior leaders, he found Jiang the most intelligent of them all!

Meanwhile, over in Jomtien last night - there were plenty of those illegal flying lanterns illuminating the entire sky (I am happy to report that none of them set our condo building on fire or the nearby beautiful palm trees at the Dongtan gay beach). There were also many fireworks going off and thousands upon thousands of Loy Krathong floaties that were launched into the sea. This was my first Loy Krathong as a new retiree living here - so I was one of those thousands, with my two Thai friends, who helped me to launch my Loy Krathong into the sea -->> BUT - we had to first follow the correct Thai ritual of: 1.) cut a piece of your hair and place it into the Loy Krathong flower piece made of banana, 2.) insert some loose coins into your Loy Krathong, 3.) light the candle that is in the center of the flowers, 4.) light the incense sticks that are also in the center of the flowers, 5.) say a prayer before launching your Loy Krathong into the water (expressing what you are happy to be relieved of - negative things - and what positive things you want to come into your life). Then you are ready to go. I was not dressed properly, so I had to take my shoes and socks off, and because of the shorts that I was wearing, I could not get out far enough into the water to properly launch my Loy Kratong for enough distance that it would not be washed back ashore (bad luck). There were some kids out in the water and after we launched our 3 Loy Krathongs (see below photo), they approached ours and pushed them further out to sea - and I was SO happy about that - but there was a hidden service charge - they quickly removed all of the loose coins that we had placed in our respective Loy Kratong's (see step 2 above). I became upset, but my 2 Thai friends said to me, "stay calm - these kids are very poor and they deserve what they took and you should know that it does not invalidate the above 5 steps - so our good wishes will still come to us." I am a new retiree here - so I need to learn so much about the Thai Buddhist ways - sabai sabai.... But, for my year 2023 Loy Krathong - I will be much better prepared.